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Kilarin

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011847,00.html I've got some gripes with the Islamic culture. But come on folks. What's the point of living in an America like this? You should be free to practice your religion here. You should be free to build a church, synagogue, mosque, or temple ...

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Cuda68 wrote:So no they are not the same aside from being of the same faith.

Actually, they are only of the same faith in the way that Spain and England are of the same faith.

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null0010 wrote:"Islam stunts the growth of cultures."

Just to clarify, that is NOT what I've been saying. I've been saying that the CURRENT culture of Islamic peoples has some SERIOUS problems. Same religion in different times did not have those problems.

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not to mention there's more than 9000 Muslims in active service in the US military. And, as I hope I've made clear, I support their right to be there. I support the right of Muslims, or people of ANY religion, to worship as they please and to live in this country with the exact same freedoms and re...

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LThere are genetic dangers of having children in an incestuous relationship, whether or not it qualifies as a "marriage" or "domestic partnership". Now that’s some really strange logic…no it doesn’t cause the danger, but it does encourage it, and vetting the “partnership” would ...

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If they decide that marriage is permitted for male+female unions and also for male+male or female+female unions ... does that "open the door" to multiple partner unions? (male+female+female or male+male+female, also known as polygamy) Yep. Of course, you realize that these kinds of relati...

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CONGRESS Passed legislation in 1878 that said they can regulate who gets married. IT IS LAW The SCOTUS upheld that LAW as Constitutional in 1878. and that law has not been overturned. No one is questioning that the government HAS been regulating marriage. We are questioning if they SHOULD. To go ba...

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you contradict your self. I don't think its contradictory to say that the government should be involved in enforcing legal contracts AND that those contracts should be available for any capable adult to enter in to. Its the same as saying that the government should be involved in enforcing lease ag...

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Who has an ethical right to be "married" is NOT a legal issue, its a religious one. Tell that to the Mormons. the unanimous 1878 Supreme Court decision Reynolds v. United States declared that polygamy was not protected by the Constitution, based on the longstanding legal principle that &q...

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I think what Kilarin is saying is that the executive branch shouldn't be involved in the structure of marriage anymore than what's absolutely necessary. Exactly. The government should be involved in a legal contract. Call it a "domestic partnership agreement" or whatever you wish. It's a ...

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Contrary to what you and Lothar believe, gay people don’t want their marriages only recognized by other gay people. Many churches don't recognize casual divorce as valid. In the eyes of those churches, MANY heterosexual couples are NOT actually married because their previous divorce was not for rea...

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kiliarian: it has nothing to do with the culture, but it has everything to do with the batcrap crazy extremists that somehow manage to get a mouthpiece. That sounds like the culture to me. Would you mind clarifying? So of course you guys are going to think 'islam is the problem' if all you hear are...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Congo_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War Like I said, Islam is certainly not the only culture to have problems with violence and abuse. Christianity has plenty of sub cultures with SERIOUS problems. But the violent sub cultures are currently a small...

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"violence is not more strongly connected to one culture than another." Perhaps you need to define how you are using culture? Either of these definitions would fit the way I am using the term: the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group The sum tot...

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The mosque is considered a problem, but apparently no one minds all the strip clubs near ground zero. :) http://www.politicususa.com/en/ground-zero-strip-club I'm trying to make a point that all people are equally violent, with only slight modifiers for religion and culture, etc. To try to blame vio...

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I'm surprised you fell into one of Spidey's many webs Kilarin. First, Obama reminded an outraged public that Muslims have a constitutional right and a permit to build a mosque there. Then, when the public, still outraged, began to question Obama's personal feelings, he clarified them. How is that p...

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Spidey wrote:my comment had nothing to do with the factuality of his statements…

Then your objection is that he added the "wisdom" comment only after he realized there was a lot of outrage?
Yeah, I think he's playing politics too. They all do. It's sad.

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The president wants to have his cake and eat it too, first he said that they have the right to build, then he says…that should not be used to construe the wisdom of building it. (paraphrase) Not denying that he may be playing politics. But I'm with null0010 on THIS one. :) There are MANY things tha...

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I don't believe there is any evidence they have the slightest care in the world what anyone thinks which is exactly why I find their plans offensive. I'm not surprised that many people find it offensive. It was certainly, as you have pointed out, a poor publicity move. It's also, as you have said, ...

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/this_oughta_teach_him_rQamwIU0sNZxyrmyNBxz4L The \"United Federation of Teachers\", a teachers union, fired Jim Callaghan for trying to unionize the non-union employees who worked in the office. To be fair, we appear to only be getting one side of the sto...

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Islam seems to have more than their share fair of evil lunatics. But they DO have company:

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/inde ... full/94132

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I recommend \"Wired for War\" by P. W. Singer It's an incredible and interesting look at what's going on with robotics and warfare. The author LIKES robots, and approves of them being used. He's also scared of how the military is approaching some aspects of automation. For example, he went...

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So yes it will be binding due to the fact all parties agree to the arbitration to take place in Texas Islamic Court. Legally speaking, it's no different from those daytime "courtroom" shows like Judge Judy. Everyone involved signs an agreement to abide by a third party's ruling. Exactly. ...

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Nice shot!

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I can support this tack if labels are made more obvious, like large, bold print letters saying, "THIS BACON HAS A LOT OF FAT IN IT." I wouldn't object, but it won't make much different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_messages#United_States_of_America * SURGEON GENE...

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It's not the governments job to protect us from ourselves. Labeling I'm fine with, but other than that, leave the choices up to me.

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but isn't one of the major tenets of Evangelical Christianity the requirement to proselytize and spread the word of Jesus to unbelievers? That's not praying to God in a peaceful, unobtrusive way, that's pushing your religion on others that may or may NOT want to listen. The right to proselytize is ...

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That's why I don't want religion taught in schools. It's a destructive environment for religion that will turn kids away. how is it destructive?? examples please I'm going to agree with Bettina on teaching religion in public schools. Private school is a completely different animal. The point being ...

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http://xkcd.com/774/

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Well Kilarin, one of those "god given rights" is LIFE. I want my government to protect it I certainly agree that the government has a responsibility to try and prevent murder. at what point do you allow a society's citizens TOTAL freedom to do whatever they want, even if it impacts others...

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It's nice to see you're still here I've just been busy as all get out. Big project at work. But thank you. but thats not what our government does. it interfere's regularly with peoples religion and practice there of. Yes, it does. Our government regularly fails on BOTH sides, because we've never re...

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Well the way I look at it, I'd rather have a government that expounds a trust in God than a trust in the Government. One only needs look at the old Soviet Union to understand. It's just two sides of the same coin. fliptw's point is valid. For example, consider what it was like to live in England af...

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So if I read you correctly you are saying the government has no compulsion to protect your “god given rights” only legal rights, since god is a separate domain. correct. If the government tries to defend "god given rights", then the government has to try and decide which god gave those ri...

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Well, if you have a problem with “In God we Trust” then you might also have a problem with where our “inalienable” rights come from… We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights I have no problem at a...

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thats because there is no Seperation of Church and state to reach. ... sadly our nation has chosen to follow the european model over the years and come to hate religion When Church/State combinations lean towards religion you get Sharia Law, the Inquisition, and the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. ...

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Jeff250 wrote:when you place too much value on them, more value on the rituals themselves rather than the things the rituals are supposed to represent, then the damage is done.

Very true. And a problem that is brought up multiple times in the Bible.

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It's sad that we can approach the concept of separation of Church and State, but we never really reach it.

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Try reading The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever. Donaldson is an incredible world builder. But I found that particular series too depressing. Every time the main character went off stage it was like having the flaming bamboo splinters removed from under your fingernails. It was such a...

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I enjoyed the Potter series, I just don't think it was \"The best thing EVER!\" One of my biggest complaints, throughout the entire series, none of the 3 main characters really show any growth. They increase in power, but they don't GROW. Take the characters as they were in the first book,...

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So for all these years I thought anything near a black hole got sucked in and nothing escaped. It would seem not: Only inside the event horizon. Objects outside the event horizon can sometimes be sling shotted AWAY from the black hole. People often consider a black hole to have some kind of magical...

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