WNFC (\"Wednesday. Night Fight Club\")

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Sat May 29, 2010 4:50 am

Everything worth using supports UDP anyway, so we just need an organising medium (say, IRC) and a host.

flip · Post by **flip** » Sat May 29, 2010 5:23 pm

Makes sense to use one of the IRC's already up on Gamesurge or Descentforum. We need to decide on which one and a set time. Host can be decided then.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:16 am

Alter-Fox wrote:[Re: Warpig^BoTS^]Whenever I was fighting anyone, he came in with his ridiculously low ping and MD'd me to death.

Warpig's a good guy, and a very very good player. Don't worry about getting blown away by him. There aren't many pilots who can hold their own against him, particularly if it's a level he knows and MD is around.

Alter-Fox wrote:He consistently typekilled me.

You cannot get 'consistently typekilled' unless you are 'consistently typing while alive'.

Just consider it a lesson: Type when you're dead.

Alter-Fox wrote:...I will not rest until I have utterly demolished him 1 on 1.

Not gonna happen, sorry. I'm a considerably more experienced pilot than you are, and the only time I've ever beaten Warpig 1v1 was in a level he had never played before (plus, I got him laughing his butt off during the game).

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:54 am

He was also kill-stealing.

Not gonna happen, sorry. I'm a considerably more experienced pilot than you are, and the only time I've ever beaten Warpig 1v1 was in a level he had never played before (plus, I got him laughing his butt off during the game).

Who says this is going to be in D3?

And FYI the problem was he was being rude.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:30 am

Alter-Fox wrote:He was also kill-stealing.

"Kill-STEALING"?

I'm sorry, Alter-Fox, but you're playing the wrong game if you think a third party swooping in for the kill is somehow 'rude'.

If you're fighting someone, you should ALWAYS watch out for people looking to grab an easy kill. And if they do, don't get mad at them - learn from them. The dynamics of multiple fights happening at once, and fights bleeding into other fights, is part of the game.

If you want to fight someone without interruptions from third parties... stick to 1v1.

flip · Post by **flip** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:41 am

Just in case there is any confusion let me say my blast and insult at Warpig was of the highest praise. I respect ALL aspects of his game cause the guys got MAD SKILLZ. That being said I will not rest until I humiliate him badly and I challenge him to many 1v1's until that happens

. I got a few kills on him in the last FFA we played that made my nuts tingle so It's gonna happen buddy.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:50 am

Piggy's not a bad player, likes hit-run alot.
what level we doing tomorrow?

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:41 pm

Foil wrote:
Alter-Fox wrote:He was also kill-stealing.
"Kill-STEALING"?

I'm sorry, Alter-Fox, but you're playing the wrong game if you think a third party swooping in for the kill is somehow 'rude'.

If you're fighting someone, you should ALWAYS watch out for people looking to grab an easy kill. And if they do, don't get mad at them - learn from them. The dynamics of multiple fights happening at once, and fights bleeding into other fights, is part of the game.

If you want to fight someone without interruptions from third parties... stick to 1v1.

Quite right Foil. It always has been; even since D1. "Back in the day" the real fowls were spawn mining and type killing (in D1 anyways) the culture has changed since then and Type killing is acceptable now. So meh.

(for those fairly new to the game; that is why a keyboard appears over the ships when a person is typing. You used to point your nose at the floor in D1 and D2)

flip · Post by **flip** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:25 pm

Well that's one of the reasons I like team games in D1 and D2 because you have to use discretion. It brings a whole different element into the game that you have to determine whether it's a friendly or an opponent before you fire, so unlike anarchy you can't just fire wildly and expect your not gonna kill one of your own. In anarchy I feel it should be completely cutthroat and no one should expect anyone to be doing anything else but totally trying to destroy everyone in the game. Besides, I've let let up on the trigger because some other pilot was not engaging just to have them start firing as I pass.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:50 pm

Duper wrote:...the culture has changed since then and Type killing is acceptable now...

Duper, you were responding to my post there... but I wasn't talking about type-killing.

My point was about Alter-Fox's "kill-stealing" (the accusation that says "it's rude to steal the kill when I was fighting that guy"), which is utterly ridiculous.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:18 pm

I realize that. I was just adding that in as contrast to what \"real\" beefs folks in earlier years. (whether it that was actually legitimate or not is a different thread.

)

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:18 pm

Piggy is a great pilot, and he's a master of hit and run.

How about some Team Anarchy with friendly-fire enabled for Wednesday? I've been playing a game recently where you have to be careful because you can hurt your team-mates, and I think it would be a great thing to have up for a while. I don't have any specific level in mind.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:22 pm

BTC would be nice for that.

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:31 pm

Foil wrote:
Duper wrote:...the culture has changed since then and Type killing is acceptable now...
Duper, you were responding to my post there... but I wasn't talking about type-killing.

My point was about Alter-Fox's "kill-stealing" (the accusation that says "it's rude to steal the kill when I was fighting that guy"), which is utterly ridiculous.

You misunderstand me.
Kill stealing wasn't the rude part. (Or not the only one, at least.) Typekilling is rude, imo. One time, they might not have seen the keyboard... if they do it consistently...

Also most pilots I play with at least apologize for typekilling.

The rude part was he was constantly taking advantage of me, but almost no one else... (trust me, I watched the kill messages). I play for fun, not to win, but it's hard to have fun when I can't stay alive for 2 secs.

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:51 pm

I usually apologize if I type kill, you're keyboard may not be visible (D3), however that don't mean if your in BI3 I didn't mean to, type when you are dead in anarchy.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:09 am

Always type when dead unless you're like me and do it just to show em they can't kill you even while sitting still right in front of their face

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:12 am

Alter-Fox wrote:Typekilling is rude, imo. One time, they might not have seen the keyboard... if they do it consistently...

1. If you're getting "consistently" killed while you're typing, QUIT TYPING WHEN YOU'RE FLYING.

2. If you can't wait to type something until you die, you're talking way too much.

3. Don't expect other pilots to share your particular view of gaming boundaries.
[E.g. I don't typekill in most situations. HOWEVER, I do not get mad if someone else does. It's their perogative to play the way they want.]

Alter-Fox wrote:The rude part was he was constantly taking advantage of me, but almost no one else...

4. If you're getting killed by the same player over and over, don't whine, LEARN FROM IT.

5. Be aware that your perception of kills is skewed, especially if you're frustrated. Take a look at Warpig's stats (pulled from the .stats files from that night's WNFC games):

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14) *warpig^BoTS^
=================
Total Time In Game: 1:07:19 hours
Callsign:                     Kills:    Deaths:
otterhawk                     1         1 
Nevri_d                       8         1 
[RIP]Gallows                  1         1 
Sirius                        5         0 
alter-fox                     9         0 

14) warpig^BoTS^
================
Total Time In Game: 55:03 minutes
Callsign:                     Kills:    Deaths:
[RIP] NTSC                    11        6 
otterhawk                     14        3 
[RIP]Lothar                   4         6 
Templeton                     3         3 
[RIP]Gallows                  7         5 
[RIP]hugh                     4         1 
[rip] grisly atoms            11        1 
Nevri_d                       2         3 

14) warpig^BoTS^
================
Total Time In Game: 33:00 minutes
Callsign:                     Kills:    Deaths:
[RIP]Gallows                  3         0 
[RIP]Lothar                   8         3 
Nevri_d                       6         1 
Flip                          2         0 
otterhawk                     5         0 
[rip] grisly atoms            3         1 
[RIP] NTSC                    3         0 
Templeton                     1         1 
MinnowShark                   1         1 

14) warpig^BoTS^
================
Total Time In Game: 21:37 minutes
Callsign:                     Kills:    Deaths:
MinnowShark                   5         3 
[rip] grisly atoms            3         2 
[SQN]Rover_V                  5         1 
Templeton                     4         1 
Flip                          4         2 
[RIP] NTSC                    8         7 
[RIP]Gallows                  3         1 
[RIP]Fusion                   7         2 
otterhawk                     5         1 
[RIP]Lothar                   1         0

Still think you were 'unfairly targeted'?

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:26 am

Quick review:

Quit typing so much when you're flying
(If you can't quit fly-typing, quit whining about being killed when you do)
Check your .stats files before throwing out lame \"he's only targeting me\" accusations
Don't get frustrated, get better (learn from your opponents)

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:31 am

Sergeant Thorne wrote:How about some Team Anarchy with friendly-fire enabled for Wednesday?

Good suggestion!

Grendel wrote:BTC would be nice for that.

I love BillTheCat, but we did it recently. Any other level suggestions?

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:20 am

What about the Seoul City multiplayer map? (Yes, there is one).

@Foil: I get your point. I will drop the warpig thing now. Otterhawk died of a heart attack on Friday... he was resurrected by his doctor and he has no memory of what happened or how he felt.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:39 am

Alter-Fox reminds me of Zantor..

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:34 pm

Foil wrote: Any other level suggestions?

How about that Aztec temple one? ..er.. i forgot the name.

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:14 pm

Yucatan

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:20 pm

Alter-Fox wrote:Otterhawk died of a heart attack on Friday... he was resurrected by his doctor and he has no memory of what happened or how he felt.

Alter, tell Otterhawk we're thinking of him.

Being medically revived (I assume that's what you're referring to?) is no small matter.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:22 pm

AlphaDoG wrote:Yucatan

Bingo!

Thanks Alpha!

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:41 pm

All of our pretend thoughts and prayers are with Otterhawk, who I believe is a fictitious character.

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:16 pm

The server isn't up yet. I had to play BI3 instead

!!UPDATE!!:
OtterHawk has made a stunning comeback just now! He held second place in Brain Salad Surgery until the end of the match... Lothar was first, but he's a legitimately impossible to beat player who I enjoy facing.

OtterHawk beat the likes of Grisly Atoms, Machete Bug, and several others I can't remember to secure second place.