Page 1 of 3

DLE-XP questions and answers

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:15 am
by Diedel

DLE-XP Questions And Answers Thread

This thread is intended for DLE-XP questions and answers. No bug reports and no suggestions here please.

Please keep this thread clean. In case some issue needs detailled discussion, I will open an extra thread for it.

Diedel (a.k.a. karx11erx)

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:48 am
by jakee308
about cameras;

put in a wall, added a trigger. designated a wall in another cube as target. first check mine said that this door has no cube on the other side.
redid everything and check mine ok but when run i get a warning: "gal side, type (3), type = 0, segment # = 0" and game exits. (actually i'm not sure gal is the word as that font is wierd looking but the g i'm sure about and the a is a triangle the l could be a 1)

what's this mean? what'd i do wrong?

edit: discovered that most other levels started from within dle. ver 1.5.13 have this same crash. starting from normal new game menu the levels load.!

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:26 pm
by jakee308
to avoid confusion, i'm not going to edit the prev.

this is where i started. 1st the above situation was because of spaces in internal file names and something else.

i got to that point because i'm experimenting with cameras

i'm not getting something so i'll recap and somebody correct me.

1st pick a side, add a wall, add a trigger type camera. pick a side for target add that to trigger target list. the view from the trigger should be seen on the target. is that right?

it's not working for me.
1st what type of wall to use? i get error msgs on check mine unless i use overlay.

read the manual on site. ???? seems to me i'm doing what it says. i'm not doing something or doing it right. help!

edit: something else. in some levels when they load, if they have special textures, dle shows a green ughly looking texture in their place. i've tried putting the hog file in the same dir as dle. but that doesn't work either. example: g-house by diedel.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:57 am
by Sirius
The HOG being in the same directory won't help much. You need to have the .pog in the .hog file you're opening the level from (oh, and you must be loading the level from a .hog file or it probably won't load it either, unless Diedel has made DLE-XP smart at that).

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:41 am
by Diedel

I have had some cases of old levels containing custom textures where some custom textures were bogus, showing a greenish, distorted image instead.

If you have an actual level of yours with a pog file that ought to be intact, yet showing the same faulty behaviour, please e-mail it to me.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:47 am
by jakee308
it's g-house from your site.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:37 pm
by Diedel
I have seen this problem. Strangely enough it disappeared when loading another level and then reloading g-house.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:44 pm
by jakee308
yep it comes and goes. reloading the level sometimes makes it work.

Missing walls in map

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:45 am
by Weyrman
I am using 1.5.15 and any wall I put in does not show on the automap. I have created an octagonal room with with pockets containing robots closed with walls and triggered elsewhere. In the automap, the walls show as hollow spaces, but the pockets don't show, giving away that there is something behind it. Is this a bug or am I just missing something?

What should the default setting be for a wall? Cloak and transparency seem to be the same thing. One directly affects the other. What does strength do? This is driving me nuts!

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:29 am
by Diedel
Take a look into the preferences dialog. ;)

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:41 am
by Weyrman
I'm sorry but that is no help at all. Which preference dialog where?

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:19 pm
by Diedel
What program are we talking about?

Click "preferences" tab and check "walls" and "robots" in the corresponding visibility settings.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:55 pm
by Weyrman
OK sorry for not making myself clear. In dle, everything looks fine, walls show where they are supposed to be, 2 back to back xxs. When I then test run the mine in d2x, the walls are in place on screen but do not show up on the automap. Wherever I have xxs, the map has nothing, there is no wireframe for that cube face.
This led me to believe that I was incorrectly setting the values for the walls, hence my request for an explanation as to how the settings affect a wall and what a "standard" setting should be.

I am assuming that the fault is with my usage of dle as no-one else seems to have the same problem. Any ideas?

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:14 pm
by Diedel
Oh ok, now I understand. I will check that and come back to you when I know what's going on here.

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:46 am
by jakee308
Weyrman, i believe that is normal behaviour. i recall being able to spot places where hidden walls were because the wire frame lines were missing.

Diedel, Speed boosts: when arriving at the target cube side, will any angular change due to new target occur instantaneously or is there some inertia? will you possibly hit side of cube before angular change takes effect? imagine a tunnel starting out level then sloping down then further on sloping more.
same ? about left/right angle. how much of an angular change can occur?

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:00 am
by Diedel
No inertia. Any angle.

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:04 am
by Diedel
Diedel wrote:Oh ok, now I understand. I will check that and come back to you when I know what's going on here.
Umm ... I understood nothing. The automap doesn't show walls, afaik.

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:39 pm
by Weyrman
There are many instances where the map shows e.g. a straight section of standard tunnel that you pass through and then fly through a trigger which removes walls from the tunnel behind you, opening pockets filled with robots or powerups. These "walls" showed on the map as standard sides, what I am getting is empty spaces.
I have included screenshots showing:

The mine in the editor

A view of the wall from in the game

The automap view, showing the "missing" walls

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:46 am
by Diedel
That's exactly how such walls look in the automap. Actually that's a hint in the automap to such walls.

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:58 pm
by Sinjid
When I made Strike (My D2 level. Get it at ) I had to get a PC (I only have macs). So, It would be great if somebody could port DLE-XP to the mac. PLEASE!

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:00 pm
by Diedel
DLE-XP is making heavy use of the MFC (C++ Windows API wrapper classes). Porting it would be a major task involving rewriting all GUI stuff.

Where on the site you are linking to is the level?

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:58 pm
by Sinjid

Wrong address!


Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:02 pm
by AndyX
Is there any option in DLE-XP to rotate objects? I´ve looked nearly everywhere in the editor, but i couldn´t find such a feature...

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:17 pm
by Diedel
Click on the object control in the toolbar (purple, angled arrow). Then select an object (right click on object in map view or select in object tool), and rotate it with the keyboard or the toolbar's rotate buttons.

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:38 am
by Sirius
The hotkey 'o' will switch you into object movement mode; from there you can move objects like sides or cubes.

Be aware, though, that the behaviour (which way the object moves/rotates/etc) depends on the orientation of the cube, as it does for side mode.

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:59 pm
by Nuke
on occasion when working on a level one of the cubes becomes corropt in some way and usually causes the program to crash when you try to view that cube from a certain angle. now, is there a way to debug such errors. like an error message giving me the bad cube's number so that it may be removed and replaced? right now the process of finding bad cubes is quite tedious. requiring me to remember all the cubes ive added or changed, and delete them one by one untill i find the bad one.

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:39 pm
by Diedel
Please send me a level with such a cube. DLE-XP should neither cause such problems nor crash when encountering them.

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:23 am
by Nuke
il send you my level, (the same one i sent you last time, but now with more geometry). im trying to put in a teleporter at the end of a tunnel, but to make it look like the others i need to add one more cube. every time i insert a new cube and try to view it from a lower angle, it causes a crash whenever i try the view the cube from a lower angle. il send you the file with the cube,side number. select the cube and side and insert a new cube and you should see the problem. while youre at it can you look at the light color selection because i cant seem to add any colored lights to the level. it just doesnt show the color selector.

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:40 am
by Diedel
Fixe-dee-fixed. ;)

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:22 pm
by Sapphire Wolf
I have a very stupid question, How do I make a Custom Hi res Animated texture(not a door) in DLE? For example: the water texture.

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:25 pm
by CarzyRoBoT
How do I set a open/unlock door trigger in DLE-XP? I can't figure out how these things work.

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:28 pm
by Diedel
Add an open wall somewhere (invisible fly-through wall), attach an open/unlock trigger to it and add the cube and side of the intended door as its target.

pasting blocks

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:29 am
by reetus
I can't seem to make the blocks appear. I mark a set of blocks by clicking and holding making all the blocks yellow, save them as a blk file but then when I paste them all I get are red point markers where the blocks are supposed to go. If I could just make the blocks appear it would work fine.

Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong? :?

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:35 am
by Diedel
Are you working with decreased rendering distance?

render depth

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:56 pm
by reetus
yep that was the problem, thanks D

second texture alignment

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:07 am
by reetus
how do I align/reset secondary textures like doors or lights?

I get the texture lined up and my door texture is offset a little but I can't seem to find a way to move/adjust/reset only the second texture.

one more thing...

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:18 am
by reetus
I think #1 instruction and #3 instruction on the texture tool diagram on the dle-xp help manual are mixed up but checking only the 2nd box and using the texture adjust buttons does not adjust only the second texture it adjusts both of them causing the primary texture to become mis-aligned when trying to adjust only the second texture.

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:56 am
by Diedel
You cannot align 2nd texture separately. Their basic alignment is always the one of the 1st texture. All you can do is rotate them in 90 degree steps relative to the base texture.

Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:08 pm
by Sirius
Descent engine limitation, sorry.

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:07 pm
by Diedel
I could change that though ... :roll: