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 Post subject: US are ready to cross the red line
PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:06 am 
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At that time, as the US continues to blame Russia for interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine, the United States once again contradict and change its principles and statements of non-interference in the affairs of independent states from other countries.
After several years of propaganda and organization supposedly of popular uprisings in order to prevent the construction of the Nicaraguan canal, the US switched to a more decisive and serious action by requiring Nicaragua to disclose information about the channel, to provide full information on the conduct of environmental impact assessments and tendering for construction.
It's like Russia would require the United States to provide the same information about the construction of facilities in the United States.
In the financing and construction of the canal is involved China, Russia and Brazil, in addition, President Daniel Ortega signed an agreement with Russia on providing military protection. Under this agreement, the Russian warships and aircraft will be able to freely serve in the territorial waters of Nicaragua. There will also be created with all necessary technical infrastructure.
As we have seen, the United States has no relation to this project. Nevertheless, the US said that if they receive a refusal to provide information, it will be considered in a negative way and will be an occasion for a massive PR attack by the world's largest media and environmental services of the US intervention. And after the media attack may be followed by real military attack on Nicaragua, which threatens unpredictable consequences. Or Yankees will remove Daniel Ortega with a bag on his head, as well as president of Panama Manuel Noriega in 1989, which they have taken on their territory and put him in jail, accused of drug trafficking?

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 Post subject: Re: US are ready to cross the red line
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no such red line is being crossed, nor contemplated. Remember, the US mainly got out of the canal business a while ago, and Nicaragua has sold its soul to rather shaky Chinese interests to finish this project. All reports are that really nothing is getting done, or going forward. The main opposition, if one looks down the road, will be environmentalists, worldwide. There is no crying need for a new canal, and thus, justifying ripping up equatorial environments for that sizable an area might find objection.

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callmeslick wrote:
...There is no crying need for a new canal

This is your personal opinion?


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Panama is already widening their canal for large container ships. Why would even the Chinese want spend a huge amount of cash required to build one in Nicaragua? I don't see any benefit, or good return on their investment, to justify such a project, a project that would certainly ruin a large portion of tropical rain forest in the process.

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sigma wrote:
callmeslick wrote:
...There is no crying need for a new canal

This is your personal opinion?


pretty much. TC fleshed some of it out for you.

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callmeslick wrote:
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...There is no crying need for a new canal

This is your personal opinion?


pretty much. TC fleshed some of it out for you.

That is, the businessmen of the two superpowers and the largest state in South America stupider than Slick?
TC knows well that the new canal will relieve global maritime traffic of more than 5%. She also knows well that 2/3 of the oxygen on the planet generates the Siberian taiga, not the Amazon jungle. And even more so, not few palm trees and cacti in Nicaragua. For this once, tunnelcat said insincerely apparently due to patriotic motives.


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 Post subject: Re: US are ready to cross the red line
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sigma wrote:
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...There is no crying need for a new canal

This is your personal opinion?


pretty much. TC fleshed some of it out for you.

That is, the businessmen of the two superpowers and the largest state in South America stupider than Slick?

which two 'superpowers'? I see Chinese involvement, nothing from the US at all. Plus the Chinese players seem both a bit financially shaky and very little overt Chinese government involvement. Who are you referring to as the 'largest state in South America'?
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TC knows well that the new canal will relieve global maritime traffic of more than 5%. She also knows well that 2/3 of the oxygen on the planet generates the Siberian taiga, not the Amazon jungle.

I'll let her speak for herself, but that last assertion is LUDICROUS, from a biological standpoint.

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 Post subject: Re: US are ready to cross the red line
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I'll give you an awesome news. The US is not the only superpower in the world :) In addition, the United States can be called a superpower with a stretch because of the monstrous foreign debt. In fact, they colossus with feet of clay.


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I'll give you an awesome news. The US is not the only superpower in the world :)

I'm aware of that. China is the other one. The ONLY other one.


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In addition, the United States can be called a superpower with a stretch because of the monstrous foreign debt. In fact, they colossus with feet of clay.

as compared to, say, Russia, with no real economy, subjugated, brainwashed populace and an outmoded military? Uh-huh.

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callmeslick wrote:
I'm aware of that. China is the other one. The ONLY other one.

China is merely the first in the list.

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as compared to, say, Russia, with no real economy, subjugated, brainwashed populace and an outmoded military? Uh-huh.

You're right. That is why, Russia is an investor of the largest construction project of the 21st century on the other side of the planet, and Russia was chosen as the defender of the US attack just in case.


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 Post subject: Re: US are ready to cross the red line
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nowhere is that fact listed, sigma. The major investors are from CHINA.

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TC knows well that the new canal will relieve global maritime traffic of more than 5%. She also knows well that 2/3 of the oxygen on the planet generates the Siberian taiga, not the Amazon jungle. And even more so, not few palm trees and cacti in Nicaragua. For this once, tunnelcat said insincerely apparently due to patriotic motives.


Well sure it would the relieve global shipping traffic choke-point, by quite a bit. But looking at it from a purely business for profit point of view, building a new set of canals in Nicaragua would NOT give the Chinese a return on their investment for YEARS or even DECADES. The fees would have to be HUGE to repay the initial investment they laid out in construction costs and no shipper would want to pay the going rate they would want to charge. Even Chinese aren't that stupid, business wise.

Yes, the rainforest is NOT the main contributor of global oxygen, so that's not the main reason to protect the rainforests. But the rainforests do provide temperature cooling to that already very hot region. They also soak up massive amounts of rain, protecting the steep terrain around there from landslides and floods. Take away the forest and it would become a hot, muggy desert that washes into the sea or the cities whenever the tropical monsoons hit. I'm sure the locals would regret that mess very much.

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I think that the cost of passage through Nicaragua Canal would be significantly lower than in the Panama Canal. I think the locals will be happy that they will receive 200 thousand jobs during construction and after construction will be 50 thousand jobs for canal service.


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You don't think the Panama canal wouldn't just lower their taxes/fees in response?


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Even if you pass on the Panama Canal will be free, it will not have any value. You probably guessed that new canal will provide traffic mainly for sea craft of certain states. Of course, no one is going to prohibit the passage of American ships through this canal. And of course there is no doubt that it will be beneficial to all interested companies, because the Panama Canal is already outdated and does not meet modern conditions.


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Hey, if global warming is true, the Russians won't need the Panama Canal anyway. They can use the newly unfrozen and ice free North Sea Route. They've just got to be patient until the ice melts. :wink:

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I think that the Russia is already tired of waiting when finally melts the ice of US-Russian relations. Possible, that when the Panama Canal will be Russian, the Americans finally to be prudent.


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when and how is the Panama canal going to be Russian? Is someone trying to sell you all a canal? If oil goes much lower, Russia couldn't afford to buy a tow canal in New York state, let alone fund a major international canal project. Either that, or Putin better get his people scrambling off to Siberia to scoop up those diamonds and gold chunks you were touting.

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You do not need to know that Russia can and what can not. You need to continue to drink Coca-Cola, eating hamburgers and watching TV.


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You do not need to know that Russia can and what can not. You need to continue to drink Coca-Cola, eating hamburgers and watching TV.


never, sometimes(made at home on the grill) and seldom. Your 'knowledge' of Americans shows that you know nothing about the diversity of this place. You see, Sigma, that is why we can have the bitter exchanges one sees between fellow Americans here. We are diverse, and cannot be easily lumped into generalities.

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Maybe you can even give me the links to view what some documentaries about America? Because in my opinion, America as monotonous as the American cemetery. Although no. Likely to view movies online you have this is a paid service. Just tell me the names of the films.


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why??? you only view them as propaganda.

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You are right sigma, america sucks.
You dont want to be here. No one wants to come here, hardly anyone ever does, and if they do they leave as quick as they can.
You are in the best place in the world...you are so lucky, you should stay there.
I wish I could go to Russia, it would be so much better there.


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Get back on topic (canals), guys. This international-smack-talk serves no one.


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If I understand correctly, documentaries and educational films about America does not exist? It's a pity! I'm afraid I can not make a correct view about great America on the basis of films "Rambo" and "The Terminator ".


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If I understand correctly.
You dont

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Well, everything is clear. As always, a lot of talk, but nothing concrete. Forget about it.


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