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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:30 pm 
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what I listed was just premiums. With concierge membership, and some minor out of pockets, health care for my wife and I will exceed $30,000 this year.

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:51 pm 
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And you don't see anything wrong with that? Are you so rich that you've lost touch with what's it's like to live on a retirement income? I don't know what percentage of your income that $30,000 is, but the $7900 a year for me just for the privilege of having insurance is a HUGE chunk out of MY retirement income. That $7900 is far more than my yearly house and car insurance premiums combined. Plus, that outlay is on top off a $6950 deductible and any co-pays I'd have to satisfy first, so I won't get ANY benefits until I've forked over ALL of that money. That's over $14,850 a year I'm throwing directly out the window BEFORE they even begin to pay any of my doctor bills. Jesus! That $14,850 will pay for a hell of a lot of doctoring just by itself. It also doesn't cover dental and vision and those I DO currently use and pay for out of pocket. If I want insurance for that, I'd have to purchase it separately. More blood money out the window. On top of that, I've got state and federal income taxes and state property taxes to satisfy every year and those aren't chump change. There's no way I'm paying that much for the privilege of having health insurance. You can't get blood out of a turnip. Currently, I'm prepared to die if I get some expensive to cure illness and I refuse to end up in a hospital. They'd have to drag me into one kicking and screaming and then they'd have to chain me down to keep me there.

The elite liberals in Washington better get off their high horses and quit defending Obamacare like it's THEE SOLUTION for healthcare, because there are a lot of people in my exact same situation and they are not happy about it AT ALL. Once they get that IRS bill in 2018 for defying the mandate in 2017 that Trump said he wouldn't enforce in his little publicized EO, they're going to get even more pissed off, mark my words and liberals will take the blame for it, not conservatives. That was Trump's plan after all.

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:05 pm 
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fuck, I see EVERYTHING wrong with that. That's my entire point. You aren't even seeing the full income from these plans to the insurers. Why we don't all just kick into a sliding scale Medicare tax to cover everyone with at least basic Medicare benefits eludes me. By my reckoning it would average out to maybe $6000 per year taxation on average during your work career, if you did it that way, and everyone is covered cradle to grave. No issues causing financial strain on older or disabled Americans. Yes, I can afford to pay 30K per year, but that was NOT my inference. It was that 30K is what the plans are really costing, without subsidies or tax credits That is obscene. Close to triple what it should cost.

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
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and, the ACA DID achieve it's main, stated goal. It put more Americans in a position to affordably have health insurance. That some subgroups are stuck in an unaffordable state is a mix of 'nothing is perfect' with so many roadblocks put up by the GOP.

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:50 pm 
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I agree the GOP set it up to fail. That's why Obama's promise that I could keep my insurance was a lie. The GOP set that time bomb in the insurance market in the first place, all to eventually turn that promise into a lie so that they could lay the blame for that failure squarely on Obama's shoulders. The Dems were really stupid to let it happen though. It makes them look culpable. Both of the political parties need to quit fighting like a bunch of clueless idiots and start working to fix this mess, especially for subgroups like I'm and the poor, because pretty soon, Trump is going to screw over even the poor as well. The wealthy have it made. They don't give a crap as long as they can buy what they need, which they can. Until a viable solution is found for the whole country, mandating very expensive coverage for people like me is a recipe for disaster that I can't afford. You want a viable risk pool? Congress needs to quit sulking around and bring in Medicare for all, set out to control the costs like they do now for Medicare and fund the damn thing from cradle to grave. Get private insurance out of the mix. All they're in there for is profit. For the time being, get rid of the mandate since it's putting a hardship of those of us who can least afford it and find a solid fix that solves the problem for everyone, NOW, not just the poor. This whole thing is just sick.

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
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http://www.businessinsider.com/manafort ... ess-2017-9


damn, son.


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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:19 pm 
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Oh, and slick? This really pisses me off. I've found that Trump can dodge paying for his massive share of those Obamacare taxes and it's all quite legal. Talk about building in a time bomb for failure, right from the onset and he's part of the problem. He's a hypocrite if he doesn't keep his promise and eliminate the mandate. If the rich orange bastard can use his S-Corporation loopholes get away with it, I should be able to get away with it too. Fair is fair. Talk about a massive funding hole that Congress knew full well would be a problem from the ACA's very inception anyway.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... macare-tax

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
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Well, well. It's finally dawned on the Orange Buffoon that he's hated by pretty much anyone who's not related to him, which is most of the country. That explains the recent debt ceiling deal he made with the Dems. So much for any loyalty to his party and base. It also shows me that the Dems are idiots. You never make deals with the devil. :P

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:13 am 
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no, all it shows is that Schumer and Pelosi, despite some younger folks calling for all new blood, are PROS. They figured out how Trump can be manipulated, and did so. I don't think reading a damn thing more than that into it is warranted.

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
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It's not hard to manipulate him. All it takes is a little juicing of his ego and buttering him up, and he'll do whatever you want.

And he's gone and pissed off Mexico again, but this time it's going to cost America. http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-ame ... story.html


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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:17 pm 
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Trump loved to tout Harley Davidson as a model of American manufacturing, but then he nixed the TPP and never came up with a "supposed" better deal to replace it.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-ta ... 58987.html

So now Trump has yet another broken promise on his record.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ith-unions

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:49 pm 
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Oh fer cripes sake!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-voter- ... 05774.html

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:14 pm 
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Uh, oh.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/p ... ation.html

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:16 am 
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can't get too much worse than threatening WW III and then waving your dick at Iran in front of the UN, a body designed to promote peace. I think General Kelly's face showed that fact pretty well.

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:35 pm 
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I'm willing to bet Trump wrote his own speech and at the last minute, switched it from the real one written for him. I sat there thinking, this crap sounds just like a Trump campaign speech, not a speech by a statesman.

https://news.vice.com/story/here-are-so ... john-kelly

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 Post subject: Re: How bad can it get? *the donald trump megathread*
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my daughter said it sounded like he dropped the crib notes about a minute into the thing.

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