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Global warming?

Post by Burlyman » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:29 pm

How can people talk about global warming when it's so cold???
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Re: Global warming?

Post by callmeslick » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:12 am

because they have the good ★■◆●ing sense to know that Climate is global and weather is local. My pals in Australia are cooking.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Tunnelcat » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:35 pm

Climate change is not global warming necessarily. It's the addition of energy to the planet's climate due to more CO2 being added to the atmosphere and the unknown consequences of what all that added energy will do to the system. But wouldn't it be weird if the result of more CO2 was the formation of a new ice age? I wonder which would be worse for humanity, an ice age or a desert age? Looking at the East Coast and the Middle of the country right now, I think an ice age would be far more difficult for modern humans to adapt to than a desert age. :wink:
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Nightshade » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:13 am

callmeslick wrote:
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because they have the good ★■◆● sense to know that Climate is global and weather is local. My pals in Australia are cooking.
Climate is global...and climate is forever changing. "Anthropogenic climate change" is exaggerated to scam people out of money by alarmist charlatans like Al Gore.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Top Gun » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:12 am

Nightshade wrote:
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Climate is global...and climate is forever changing. "Anthropogenic climate change" is exaggerated to scam people out of money by alarmist charlatans like Al Gore.
Could willfully ignorant people like you at least stay the hell out of the way of the intelligent people trying to fix the problem?
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Re: Global warming?

Post by AlexanderBorisov » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:48 am

Here in Russia we had temp above 0C for whole Dec and beginning of Jan and nearly no snow! When it is should be -5 to -10 C in the day on average and yet colder in the night! Don't think it can be ignored or treated as "exaggeration by alarmists", and this is not the first winter like that, third in a row at least!
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Spidey » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:53 am

It’s funny…

When somebody says "it’s cold how can there be global warming"…everyone yells “you idiot, the weather is local”.

But when someone says “whew it’s hot, must be global warming” everyone says “yup yup…global warming”.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Krom » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:47 pm

Spidey wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:53 am
It’s funny…

When somebody says "it’s cold how can there be global warming"…everyone yells “you idiot, the weather is local”.

But when someone says “whew it’s hot, must be global warming” everyone says “yup yup…global warming”.
http://www.climatesignals.org/data/reco ... -low-temps
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Re: Global warming?

Post by callmeslick » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:27 pm

calling BS on Spidey's observation with intelligent people.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Spidey » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:38 pm

Who said I was commenting on "intelligent people".... :lol:
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Tunnelcat » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:41 pm

Spidey wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:38 pm
Who said I was commenting on "intelligent people".... :lol:
I agree, you weren't.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Nightshade » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:56 pm

Top Gun wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:12 am

Could willfully ignorant people like you at least stay the hell out of the way of the intelligent people trying to fix the problem?
Right...and exactly what are your "intelligent people" doing to "fix" the climate eh?

Even if they could 'fix' the climate, how're they going to control China and India? The two biggest polluters on the planet?
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Top Gun » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:11 pm

Researching alternative energy solutions, looking into carbon reclamation technologies, developing zero-emission vehicles...y'know, pretty much anything and everything they can.

And if you'd been paying the slightest attention, China has been kicking our ass when it comes to investing in renewable energy. Unlike the fuckwit-in-chief, they can actually understand basic science.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Nightshade » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:57 pm

Top Gun wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:11 pm
And if you'd been paying the slightest attention, China has been kicking our ass when it comes to investing in renewable energy. Unlike the ★■◆●, they can actually understand basic science.
LOL... I'll believe that China actually gives a ★■◆● about not polluting the planet the same day you believe that "Trump is a stable genius."
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Top Gun » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:21 pm

China's rulers are smart enough to see which way the wind is blowing, unlike the dotard-in-chief. Honestly it doesn't even matter all that much whether their concerns are environmental or economic, as long as they're doing stuff.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Krom » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:09 am

I work for a company that makes industrial and commercial burners for heating boilers and the like, China is currently a huge market because the government mandated replacing all the boilers/heaters in the country with low emissions units like modern designs instead of the 50 year old wrecks they have been using. It isn't just electricity they are cleaning up the act on, they are hitting everything.

(BTW, the air quality in China is so bad in places it clogs the intake filters on a burner in 3 days of use compared to lasting a full heating season in America.)
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Re: Global warming?

Post by callmeslick » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:51 am

watching NS try to form an intelligent debate point is akin to watching someone pee into a stiff headwind.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Spidey » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:34 pm

I think he may have a point, if you think about the difference between “saving the planet” and cleaning up out of sheer necessity.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by callmeslick » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:27 pm

saving the planet OUGHT to be seen as a necessity for ALL of us, given that ALL of us live here.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Spidey » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:17 pm

NO ★■◆●!

The reference was to Chinese thinking.....DUH.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Tunnelcat » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:59 pm

THIS is China's current thinking. Smart thinking too. Quit taking in U.S garbage that pollutes their soil and water.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... recycling/

Sooooo, what will the U.S. do with it's mountains of trash now, especially since we've embraced buying everything on the internet? Sent it to Bangladesh or Africa now to hide it? How environmentally conscious of us. Dump it on someone else. :wink:

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Re: Global warming?

Post by Nightshade » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:11 pm

Tunnelcat wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:59 pm
THIS is China's current thinking. Smart thinking too. Quit taking in U.S garbage that pollutes their soil and water.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... recycling/

Sooooo, what will the U.S. do with it's mountains of trash now, especially since we've embraced buying everything on the internet? Sent it to Bangladesh or Africa now to hide it? How environmentally conscious of us. Dump it on someone else. :wink:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holiday-sh ... o-keep-up/
I wonder where China and India are dumping the trash of a combined population of 2.69 BILLION people.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Tunnelcat » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:20 pm

Why, in the oceans of course. So we get some of our trash back since the ocean currents flow towards the U.S.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencen ... story.html

And in China's own rural areas where the peasants are powerless to do anything about it.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wo ... e24367032/
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Re: Global warming?

Post by vision » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:09 pm

Even though it doesn't make the claim, I interpreted this article as potential good news on climate change (which is rare). It's about a refined model for clouds.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by kakhome1 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:05 am

Global warning is serious and cold spells don't disprove it.

The globe as a whole had record heat recently THREE years in a row from 2014-2016, and these records were not broken, they were smashed. And 2017 was still on a far higher level of warmth than any year before 2015.

In the USA, the last three years are among the four hottest back to 1895, and averaged over the year as a whole, every single state was warmer than average in 2015, in 2016, and again in 2017 - also three years running. It's coast to coast heat on long timescales.

And 2017's hurricane/wildfire season was the costliest/rivaling the most destructive on record for the nation. It's a grim picture.

Here is an article I like that came out 2 years ago, after 2015's record heat was made official. It doesn't even reflect another record in 2016 or an extremely warm 2017. But I believe what it says is very accurate and truthful.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 332e97fa8f
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Tunnelcat » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:49 pm

Burlyman wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:29 pm
How can people talk about global warming when it's so cold???
https://cosmosmagazine.com/climate/1200 ... al-warming

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/s ... ar_arctic/
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Re: Global warming?

Post by Top Gun » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:41 pm

I genuinely think that this clusterfuck of an administration's stance on climate change is the strongest argument against our current representative democracy I've seen in my lifetime. People who have no grounding in a particular scientific or technical field have absolutely no goddamn business making far-reaching policy decisions related to that field. Give me an intellocracy before the entire planet is fucked.
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Re: Global warming?

Post by kakhome1 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:58 pm

+1 me too, thankfully at least there is the Climate Alliance...I hope that can limit some of the damage until another 3 years pass.
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