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Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by thewolfe » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:13 am

I'm thinking about buying a new computer and wondered what OS I should get. What say you?

And what about 10 installing on 7?
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Krom » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:53 pm

Windows 10 will be free for existing users of Windows 7 or 8. Otherwise for a desktop computer, use windows 7 or you will have to use classic shell to make Windows 8 behave like 7.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by thewolfe » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:01 pm

Thanks, I think I'm going to stay away from Win 8. Have they said when Win 10 is supposed to come out?
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Sirius » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:13 pm

Late summer this year, supposedly. Feels like an awfully long road with all the bugs, but it's worked out before, I guess.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:35 pm

For a gaming computer, would it be better to upgrade to Windows 10 from 7 this summer when it comes out, or stick with 7? I also heard that for any existing computer running Windows 7 SP1 or Windows 8, it would be free, no subscriptions or payments in the future. Still sounds sketchy if you ask me. Nothing is ever free. There's always a catch. :wink:
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Krom » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:14 pm

The catch is you won't be using Windows 7 anymore...

The major thing Windows 10 brings to the gaming desktop is DirectX 12, which will NOT be back ported to 7 or 8. So if you want DX12 support, you have to use Windows 10.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Duper » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:38 pm

in typical MS fashion.

;)

That's been going on since Dx9
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:29 pm

Krom wrote:The catch is you won't be using Windows 7 anymore...

The major thing Windows 10 brings to the gaming desktop is DirectX 12, which will NOT be back ported to 7 or 8. So if you want DX12 support, you have to use Windows 10.
Yeah, but will Windows 10 itself be backwards compatible with older games and applications? Would YOU upgrade to Windows 10 Krom? :wink:
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Krom » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:36 pm

Yes, most likely I will (skipping 8 entirely).

I will also probably upgrade my surface pro 2 to 10, because it may be possible to get the start menu back in it without having to resort to classic shell like I use now.

I see Windows 10 as being a likely solid successor to 7, if only because Microsoft has wised up and put all the tech hippies who were responsible for Windows 8 back on their meds.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:21 pm

:lol:
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Top Gun » Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:39 pm

I guess I need to finally get my ass to 7 so that I can then subsequently get my ass to 10. :P
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Sirius » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:22 am

Krom wrote:I will also probably upgrade my surface pro 2 to 10, because it may be possible to get the start menu back in it without having to resort to classic shell like I use now.
I'd say that's pretty much a foregone conclusion. There is a "tablet mode" you can switch into that goes full-screen, but the default for desktops (and also supported on a Surface Pro but I don't remember whether it's default) in the current preview is a typically-dimensioned start menu.

It is a start menu with a bunch of tiles on the right, but that doesn't seem to annoy most people I speak to. You can put pretty much whatever you want there anyway.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:43 am

Top Gun wrote:I guess I need to finally get my ass to 7 so that I can then subsequently get my ass to 10. :P
What? You're still using XP, or worse, Vista? {shudder} :P
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Top Gun » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:09 pm

XP babeh. Mainly because I've been too cheap to shell out whatever it'd cost for a 7 license, and this piece of crap is so old that it'd probably choke on it anyway. :P
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Sirius » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:48 pm

Computers from the early Vista era (or earlier) are probably in a fair bit of danger of that. I wouldn't want to run it on anything with less than a couple GB of memory, personally.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Krom » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:58 pm

You don't want to run Windows 7 on less than 4 GB either, it gets ugly.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:35 pm

Krom wrote:You don't want to run Windows 7 on less than 4 GB either, it gets ugly.
Heh. You don't want to put Windows 7 on any computer that has less than 2 CPU cores either. I'm finally giving up on a laptop that has a single AMD CPU. Even after throwing in an extra 4G of ram to make 8 total, it's still relatively unusable. I had to turn off every service I could find that it didn't need just to get it boot in a decent amount of time. I also have to wait 10 minutes after every Windows Update install just so's the Windows Modules Installer will quit grabbing 100% of the CPU so I can get it to reboot too. :roll:
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Top Gun » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:55 pm

Huh...so much for even bothering with 7 if I decide to keep this old fossil, then. It's a single-core 32-bit P4 with 3GB of RAM; obviously because of the 32-bit limit putting any more in there is a waste.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Krom » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:42 pm

My router is bigger and faster than your regular desktop... :P

(Intel i7-2700k 3.5 GHz quad core, 16 GB of RAM, 80 GB SSD, dual Intel gigabit LAN cards...)
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:13 pm

Showoff. :P
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Sirius » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:39 am

Hmm. I don't really know about that machine. I'd say it'd be borderline for Win7... it'd definitely run, but whether it would run well I can't be sure.
Faster than a laptop I used to run 7 on, at least. But that one was no speed demon, just okay for less demanding tasks.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:08 pm

Sneaky bastards. They supposedly installed nagware for Windows 10 during an update on March 27th. I looked on my system, but couldn't find that particular KB number (KB3035583), so this month I'll keep an eye out this month, and the next. :wink:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/29 ... tices.html
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Sirius » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:36 am

I don't terribly trust the conclusions these people are drawing. Especially not the comments section.

There will be a way to turn it off.
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by thewolfe » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:11 pm

Any downside to Win 8 with Classic Shell?
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by thewolfe » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:42 pm

Looking at a Dell that has Win 7 Pro & Win 8.1 Pro. How does that work? Are they both installed on the computer?
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Hunter » Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:44 am

I heard Win 10 will be spying on users seeing as MS in the backpocket of the NSA :P
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Krom » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:18 am

Baseless, Windows 10 doesn't need to spy on you because your ISP already does for both the NSA and for targeted advertising.

Granted, there is always room for more spying and more targeted advertising...
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:14 pm

Marketing weenies and spies should both be shot on sight. :P
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Sirius » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:58 pm

But how will you do that if you never see them :ninja:
They are spies after all!
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

Post by Tunnelcat » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:40 pm

How about pray and spray? :P
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Re: Windows 7, 8 or 10

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