M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon May 08, 2006 12:55 pm

Ordering parts right now ..

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Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:39 am

Got the parts today, as usual DigiKey f'ed something up tho. Instead of sending the thirteen LM556 I now got thirteen SSM2019.. Working on it.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:14 am

Got the right parts -- DigiKey support is pretty good

Now I just need to find some time ..

I'll reserve #54 for now, a spare may come handy in case USPS loses another one..

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LunchBox · Post by **LunchBox** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 am

Does the blue saying built mean I need to send ya some money>?

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Fri May 19, 2006 11:47 am

Nope. If it goes orange.I'm still far off from sending stuff -- I just built the 1st one to verify the components work (for some reason it's nearly impossible to get the exact same parts from DigiKeyu after a month or two..).

Sllik · Post by **Sllik** » Fri May 19, 2006 2:42 pm

A question for you relating to something you mentioned in your very first post, Grendel. I'm assuming it is possible, but I wanted to confirm or see if you had tried putting it to the test: Is it possible to use the open-source drivers you mentioned for Linux with the 3D Pro and your converter box?

I confess I've fallen in love with the Saitek Evo as an alternative for the interim, especially since I'm using it in my left hand (it's an ambidexterous stick) and a mouse in my right. ;p Call me insane, but I'm lovin it now that I've retrained my brain. I have even more maneuverability than I used to, I'm just still sluggish at times and my aim is a little off because using both simultaneously hasn't become 100% second nature yet.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Fri May 19, 2006 4:32 pm

Sllik wrote:I'm assuming it is possible, but I wanted to confirm or see if you had tried putting it to the test: Is it possible to use the open-source drivers you mentioned for Linux with the 3D Pro and your converter box?

If you hook the 3DP up w/ the converter, Linux will use its general purpose joystick HID driver instead the 3DP specific one -- I haven't tried it but I know ppl use the 3DP-Vert w/ Linux. Technically there's an advantage using the converter, it a. frees up the CPU from polling the 3DP and b. the polling frequency is higher w/ the converter (125Hz).

Sllik wrote:I confess I've fallen in love with the Saitek Evo as an alternative for the interim,

Eeew. I tried the Evo, sux even more than a Logitech stick..

Waaaay too much travel IMHO (I donated it as a price for a LAN party..) Also I wasn't very impressed by the build quallity. But that's me, your millage will vary of course. Do you still want a converter ?

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:30 pm

Ordered parts for the last 3 boards.. No more 3DP-Verts after this run..

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Canuck · Post by **Canuck** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:10 am

Would the converter work for an Logitech Extreme 3D Pro? Perhaps some modification of code...

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:43 pm

Canuck wrote:Would the converter work for an Logitech Extreme 3D Pro? Perhaps some modification of code...

Uh, that stick is already USB.. http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/produ ... ENTID=6954

Canuck · Post by **Canuck** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:23 pm

OOps thought it was the other way around so I could get USB to work right in D2.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:26 am

Canuck wrote:...so I could get USB to work right in D2.

Use D2x-XL any USB joy works with that.

My question is, Canuck what will you do, they do not have Abend in D2?

Badboy · Post by **Badboy** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:29 pm

nice grendel...see if joystick manufactures just made their stuff right we wouldnt have to return them every 1-2 months. I wish someone made the HAT's and Axis's nice I would pay a little more for a nice robust joysitck.

Ciccio · Post by **Ciccio** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:12 pm

Thanks to Grendel, I shrinked the board (using smd components) and make it to fit into a parallel plastic shield. The adapter works perfectly!!!!
Thanks again Grendel!!! As I promised I'll send you Protel PCB.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:05 pm

Ciccio, got the email, thanks. Post some pictures

I ran into trouble w/ my color printer, so I'll go ahead and print the manuals in b/w. If anyone wants a color version, please download the manual PDF here.

Ciccio · Post by **Ciccio** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:15 pm

This will be my last and only 3DP adapter... for this reason the circuit has some imperfections...
BTW it works...

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[*] Images recycled.

rrn.Dk · Post by **rrn.Dk** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:54 am

Just stumbled on this forum, after finding my old SideWinder 3d pro from the closet - and not getting it to work in XP (got a gameport, but it keep telling me Not Connected).
Is it possible to get in on any productions ???

BTW: GREAT JOB creating this gadget!

- René

Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:54 pm

ooh just found this! looking to use my 3DP for bf2...but ill try it out on descent too!

may i have an order to the UK please?

email address: rajveer_aujla[-at-]hotmail.com incase you need it

p.s. great work grendel, your contribution to the community is excellent, alot of people would have just produced one for themselves, you are a great person!

Mod edit: email obfuscated

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:52 pm

Thx. Unfortunately, at this point in time I can only add you to the waiting list. I don't have any more boards and there are no plans to make more, sorry.

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Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:58 pm

I'll be out of town until monday..

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:18 pm

Back and catching up..

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Sligar · Post by **Sligar** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:59 pm

Ok, I think I know the answer already, but tell me, would this work with the logitech cyberman 2?

http://www.3dgamers.com/articles/more/38/

I picked one of these up for cheap, and it would be very cool to get it working with a laptop. It is definately a 'digital' device and not an analog gameport device.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:05 pm

In this incarnation it will not work w/ the Cyberman 2, sorry. M$ uses the OverDrive protocol, LogiTech uses ADI -- unfortunately they are totally different. OTOH, I do have a Cm2 myself and I may look into an ADI implementation on the 3DP-Vert (if time permits and I want to try something different

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snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:23 pm

Hehe I'm trying to build one of these things myself and things didn't work on the first iteration. It will end up being more expensive, but hey, I'll get the enjoyment of a project out of it. Thanks Gren for the troubleshooting help and the info to build the thing.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:57 pm

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Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:09 pm

any update? those two people in the list lost their reservation?

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:52 pm

One lost, one not picking up PM (I know he wanted that thing bad, so I'm giving him a bit more time).

I'm trying to contact rrn.gk ATM to get a question answered, I'll give him until the weekend to get back to me. If he won't, you're in

Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:40 pm

cheers grendel! i didnt mean to sound harsh to the other guys...i jus want one really bad!

spence · Post by **spence** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:51 pm

Hey i might be interested in one

btw I was looking around and i found this
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c522_024.html#top

you can buy it here (5th one down)
http://www.frontx.com/store/order_a.html

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:01 am

Got mine up and running, thanks to Gren's help. Works beautifully, after many mistakes and much troubleshooting.

Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:23 pm

woohoo does it say one built for me?

if thats not an error lol, let me know how to pay and ill give you my address

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:51 pm

Catching up from a very busy week, I'll contact you guys later..

spence · Post by **spence** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:51 pm

Has anyone tryed this
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c522_024.html#top

JemmyGrove · Post by **JemmyGrove** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:09 pm

I know I'm probably too late to get in the game, but would you put me on the waiting list for one of those adapters?

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:03 am

spence wrote:Has anyone tryed this
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c522_024.html#top

I'm not sure what you're suggesting people use this for. If you are looking for a cable adapter to go directly from the 3d pro to the computer, it doesn't exist and never will- the signal has to get converted in the process. The 3d pro uses 8+ wires to transfer information, and the usb only uses 4- so you have to have a chip in the middle that will convert the 3dpro signal into a usb signal. All that cable does is change the pulg type- it doesn't change the signal at all.

spence · Post by **spence** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:14 pm

snoopy wrote:
spence wrote:Has anyone tryed this
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c522_024.html#top
I'm not sure what you're suggesting people use this for. If you are looking for a cable adapter to go directly from the 3d pro to the computer, it doesn't exist and never will- the signal has to get converted in the process. The 3d pro uses 8+ wires to transfer information, and the usb only uses 4- so you have to have a chip in the middle that will convert the 3dpro signal into a usb signal. All that cable does is change the pulg type- it doesn't change the signal at all.

No it just lets you put your chip inside your computer and connect it to a usb header (and not have to go back outside the case with a usb cord)

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:35 pm

Great contribution to the community Grendel.

I wonder if this thing works ... Opinions?

http://www.usb-port.com/rm203.html

BD

amogan · Post by **amogan** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:16 pm

Hmm I've heard that those don't work very well with the 3D Pro.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:41 pm

amogan wrote:Hmm I've heard that those don't work very well with the 3D Pro.

Thanks for your reply. I know a lot of pilots like the 3D Pro for the twist, but I lost that twist-capacity years ago and I'm pretty used to it. I've ordered this product and I'll give a report later if I can get it to work.

BD

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:13 pm

Sorry for my delay in updates here -- it's a madhouse @ work..

Grendel wrote:Unfortunately a regular gameport to USB converter isn't very usefull -- you loose the 8-way hat (becomes a 4-way hat) and the base buttons.

True for Thrustmaster mode (mode select pos. II) You loose the slider in this mode as well. CH mode (pos. I) is worse, two buttons pressed at the same time will not register.

M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB

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3DP cable adapter WORKING!!!

Images of my converter

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I wonder if this thing works ... Opinions?