Behemoth's official top 20 pilots of d3

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:34 am

Sirius wrote:...um, the current wave is actually really mediocre in comparison to these guys. I've played more than a few on the other top 20, and they didn't impress me. People like Hostile, Krom, Endymion, Darak and so on did, back in the day.

I would suppose so, but kroms really the only one decent out of those you mentioned.

Money! · Post by **Money!** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:38 am

Zero! wrote:nerds

hilarious

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:55 am

Behemoth wrote:This top 20 list is based on my viewpoint from what MOST people ive talked to have said

Then you're not talking to the right people.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:20 am

Heh, and the right people would be?

SirWinner · Post by **SirWinner** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:13 am

Interesting list.

It's all subject to which pilot does the ratings and the pilots they have played with and against in D3... As well as the timeframe that they played against them.

Odd that someone would put themselves in their own top 20 Descent Pilots list.

I played with a lot of very skilled Descent Pilots that weren't even placed on that list.

Frankly there were way too many people to play with to play with everyone.

Perhaps it would have helped if I could have stood Core map. Core always got me to extreme feeling of vertigo after perhaps 10 minutes... felt sick to my stomach and just had to stop... then go play some other maps.

Hmmm... Some excellent pilots weren't even mentioned in your list... SickOne, Rican, Mad, Bama, Fester Addams, Dr. Payne, etc.

There were many excellent pilots in D3 so to pick your top 20 is not an easy task.

I miss a lot of D3 players and the fun just playing D3 online with them.

As for me, I was strickly a team player... and as such preferred to play Entropy, CTF, and Coop Modes most.

Probably spent more time in D3 chat than in D3 Online Games.

Happy Hunting,
SirWinner

Burlyman · Post by **Burlyman** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:17 pm

y'all suck!

Fezzik and SuperSheep better than Suncho? LOL (No offense, Sheepy. ^_^) He's probably pretending to be nice again. =P

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:47 pm

Burlyman wrote:y'all suck!

Fezzik and SuperSheep better than Suncho? LOL (No offense, Sheepy. ^_^) He's probably pretending to be nice again. =P

He IS being nice hahaha.

Coolcat · Post by **Coolcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:38 pm

people still think supersheep is legit? god.

trust me will_kill, that everyone on that top 20 list was, or are still hoping for solid pilots to gel from the new gereration. only 5-10 have really done that.

my top 7 new players looks something like this:
(attending lans playing a large factor)

fatal
monkey
krom
neutrino
kal-el
wakeman
crown

im still wondering why ryu is #3? dt and ryu were near identicle in skill. they played eachother quite a bit in 1v1. so either dt needs to move up or ryu needs to move down. imo.

while suncho is being nice, im gonna advocate for him to be right up under fatal. kufyit never was the force he was in d1 or d2.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:41 pm

What set of criteria defines how good a player is? Is it a lot of kills (regardless of how many deaths)? Is it how high a players kill/death ratio is?

When I play, I usually am in the top 3rd in kills for that game. That would make me a fairly good player (against todays players) viewed against the first criteria. However, I usually get as many deaths as I do kills. That would mean I am not very good if veiwed against the second criteria.

In my own opinion, I am mediocre at best.

My point is, you have to define the criteria by which player are being judged before any list like this can mean much.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:44 pm

A good player by my definition is someone who is always flexible and can do more then one thing to win a game, for instance if all you do is spawn kill someone to get kills your not as flexible at least in my opinion.

Also, there are some who are good at anarchy and some who are better at 1v1's most of the people on that list will generally do amazing at any type of mod (some better then others) so whoever you think is the best is usually going to depend on how well they handle themselves in a game.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:52 pm

I would like to see a top 20 list of the currently active players. That would be interesting.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:53 pm

That would be a bit difficult as some players pop in and out from time to time (I.E People like monkey, Krom and Crown) But i might look into it.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:56 pm

Unless they fly under an alias, I don't think I have flown against any of those three. Then again, I can't stand any viens level so maybe that's why.

Clayman · Post by **Clayman** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:08 pm

my top 7 new players looks something like this:

Bah, your definition of "new" includes players that anyone who played for the past 2 years would consider old. Fatal won the very first D3 tournament, and as far as I know never played after 2002. Krom was awesome in 1999, maybe earlier. That's old any way you look at it. Kal-El is the newest of those, as he didn't hit his prime until late 2003-early 2004, but the rest were all established forces by 2002 for sure. To me, the new generation would be players who weren't really recognized as powerhouses until 2004.

If I were to make a list of skill, I would look at all-around ability. 1v1's, anarchy, team anarchy, defense in CTF, flag running ability, use of each weapon and secondary, the other mods, etc. Too many skilled players are one or two trick ponys. Take away fusion and MD and they're toast.

Dedman, kills (KPH) vs. kill/death ratio are essentially the difference between anarchy and a wide margin in TA. Someone can have an 80% efficiency in anarchy and still be easily beaten by someone with a low 50's eff because they got to the kill goal first. In TA, having a high efficiency can help especially because that means the other team is not boosting their team score as much due to your dearth of deaths. Which is more important is up for debate.

Also, it would be hard to know who Krom, Crown and Monkey were unless you were used to flying against them and could identify their styles. They generally favored Halcyon over any Veins level, though they could be seen in there on occasion.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:59 pm

Clayman wrote:Also, it would be hard to know who Krom, Crown and Monkey were unless you were used to flying against them and could identify their styles. They generally favored Halcyon over any Veins level, though they could be seen in there on occasion.

Note that it would be difficult to see crown anywhere since he doesnt have descent installed.

Clayman · Post by **Clayman** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:09 pm

Well, I meant in the past. I haven't talked to Crown much lately anyway.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:18 pm

Yeah, i know what you mean though when i came back d3k was or seemed at their prime. I would always jump in the games wherever i saw a d3ker.

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Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:10 pm

1. Birdseye
2. Nirvana
3. Ryujin
4. Kal-el
5. Krom
6. Bah
7. Zero
8. Monkey
9. Fatal
10. Darktalyn
11. Barry
12. Xeon
13. Genghis
14. Suncho
15. Palzon
16. Readyman
17. Bash
18. Hostile
19. Sirian
20. Hostile

= list i think everyone will agree on for all around best throughout all d3

im gonna try to squeeze 20 players out of todays multiplayer and see how it comes out

1. Zero
2. Behemoth
3. Monkey *
4. Krom *
5. Fezzik
6. Kufyit *
7. Bunyip
8. Candyass
9. Smiddy
10. Ultra Pipi
11. Psion
12. Spaceboy
13. Skyalmian
14. Chefkoch
15. Willkill
16. Destroy
17. Gritz
18. Bettina
19. Fusion
20. Grendel

(*)Whenever they play

Money! · Post by **Money!** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:47 pm

Nevermind haha

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:51 pm

Hehe, after a point i just started throwing names out because i couldnt think of many.

Money! · Post by **Money!** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:54 pm

Sall good, I changed my post before being embarassed

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:18 am

Having flown against them both... alot, I think that Grendel is way better than Bettina. But that could just be me.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:15 pm

I am so in the dark its not even funny. I play in the evenings and except for just two or three names, I don't see any of the other names playing...in anyones list.

Are these people retired? or play in some other servers that I don't go to?

Bettina

Clayman · Post by **Clayman** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:55 pm

Are these people retired? or play in some other servers that I don't go to?

You've answered your own questions. Most of them are retired, and the ones that aren't either play under alias or don't play in levels like Subway Dancer.

Having flown against them both... alot, I think that Grendel is way better than Bettina. But that could just be me.

It's not just you. Sorry Bet.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:18 pm

Clayman wrote:
It's not just you. Sorry Bet.

Thats no problem. I have fun and I know my place. I don't have to prove anything that way.

and....I play more than just Subway dancer.

Bettina

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:33 pm

Grendel isnt as good as bettina =)

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:42 pm

Who the heck is Ultra Pipi?

And why am I not on anyone's lists?

Hattrick · Post by **Hattrick** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:10 pm

Hattricks official list of random people not mentioned on the prior less important top ten lists.

1.Stryker (happy now?)
2.Fred flintstone
3.James bond
4.Elmer fudd
5.my 3rd grade teacher mrs.Fletcher
6.Don Knotts
7.ziggy marley
8.Walt disney
9.Former surgeon general C.Everett koop
10.Dan quayle.

That there is THE BEST list period!!!
now all this top ten nonsense can stop.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:24 pm

Hattrick wrote: 1.Hattrick
2.Hatrick
3.Haterick
4.Hat Trick
5.Hatrix
6.Hatttrrrriccck
7.Hatrik
8.Hat tric
9.Hazrik
10.HaTrIcK

Looks like a fine list to me.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:26 pm

Hattrick wrote: 1.Hattrick
2.Hatrick
3.Haterick
4.Hat Trick
5.Hatrix
6.Hatttrrrriccck
7.Hatrik
8.Hat tric
9.Hazrik
10.HaTrIcK

Looks like a fine list to me.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:26 pm

Hattrick wrote: 1.Hattrick
2.Hatrick
3.Haterick
4.Hat Trick
5.Hatrix
6.Hatttrrrriccck
7.Hatrik
8.Hat tric
9.Hazrik
10.HaTrIcK

Looks like a fine list to me.

Hattrick · Post by **Hattrick** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:29 pm

LOL

Wow nice triple post!

no wonder you're so skippy

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:29 pm

saying something 3 times makes you more credible.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:40 pm

haha woops

Clayman · Post by **Clayman** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:57 pm

Bet51987 wrote:
Clayman wrote:
It's not just you. Sorry Bet.
Thats no problem. I have fun and I know my place. I don't have to prove anything that way.

and....I play more than just Subway dancer.

Bettina

Do you play Vamped, Hash Bash, Pulling Teeth, Burning Indika 3, Bill the Cat, or Athena? Those are more the type of levels you'd find the top 20 players in.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:58 pm

Clayman wrote:
Bet51987 wrote:
Clayman wrote:
It's not just you. Sorry Bet.
Thats no problem. I have fun and I know my place. I don't have to prove anything that way.

and....I play more than just Subway dancer.

Bettina
Do you play Vamped, Hash Bash, Pulling Teeth, Burning Indika 3, Bill the Cat, or Athena? Those are more the type of levels you'd find the top 20 players in.

Dont forget NYSA, minerva, or kataclysmica.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:20 pm

The only games I see at night (EST) are Subway, Varicose, Skybox, Stadium, Ascent, and sometimes Indika. I play them all except Indika because I find that too boring. The rest you guys listed I rarely or nvr see played.

Off topic, but tonight I played Koolbear.

A real name I see on the DBB.

Bettina

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:21 am

Heh. That's a sad list if I'm rated anywhere higher than # 20...

On another topic: You forgot the "Specialists". You know who I mean, right? Varicose Veins/Phoenix/MD-only pilots, stadium/phoenix/vauss-only pilots, etc. Some of those guys will rape you in their chosen level, and you never, ever, EVER see them out of it (okok, probably because they stink with any other level/ship/weapon).

You should do some "Specialists lists"

Pun · Post by **Pun** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:48 am

This is such mental masturbation. There's no real way to quantify this stuff. Also, you're forgetting so many awesome pilots. My homey Rook will wipe the floor with half your list. And what about Hemp? I could go on and on...