M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB - 2?
- KoolBear
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Ok top prices are for running the boards AS IS, this means NOT setup for wave soldering. The bottom set of figures covers recreating the boards i.e. panelization.
I can not, nor will I be willing to solder boards....
SO it's up to you if you want to pay more for a completed unit or if I just purchase blank boards and leave each of you with that. (about 8 bucks per board more!)
So ... I need to know what everyone wants to do.
claancy I added your's to the mix.
I can not, nor will I be willing to solder boards....
SO it's up to you if you want to pay more for a completed unit or if I just purchase blank boards and leave each of you with that. (about 8 bucks per board more!)
I'm positive this price doesn't reflect the 8.25% sales tax.Mike,
Individual route prices.
60 brds-2wks-$400.00 Lot
60 brds-wk-$500.00 Lot
Breakaway panel pricing below
3 panels=$140.00/panel
Re-Tooling $120.00=Total-$540.00
21 up (3 x 7)- 10 x 14 finish Panel Size
Credit Card or check payment in advance.
Thanks,
Debra
Gemini Circuits
So ... I need to know what everyone wants to do.
claancy I added your's to the mix.
Good news -- I do have the code modified so the converter can talk to the Precision Pro or 3D Pro Plus (older version of the PP). Since the FFP has supposedly the same data format, it's very likely that the converter will work w/ the FFP as well
The code needs some more work -- right now there are two different version of the firmware to talk to a 3DP or the PP series. I would like to have them merged in a way that the converter detects if a 3DP or PP type stick is connected and selects the appropriate set of USB descriptors. It's not that trivial tho, it'll take a bit until I'm there. Also, somehow I need to verify that the FFP will work of course..
The code needs some more work -- right now there are two different version of the firmware to talk to a 3DP or the PP series. I would like to have them merged in a way that the converter detects if a 3DP or PP type stick is connected and selects the appropriate set of USB descriptors. It's not that trivial tho, it'll take a bit until I'm there. Also, somehow I need to verify that the FFP will work of course..
Nah, as long it's entertaining for me I'm fine
Currently the firmware actually detects what stick is connected (3DP or PP) and uses different USB descriptors & processing code. Ie. a 3DP shows up as \"Microsoft SideWinder 3D Pro (USB)\" and the PP as \"Microsoft SideWinder Precision Pro (USB)\". I do have the set for the \"Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback Pro (USB)\" in place, but I need a FFP for testing. Working on it..
Currently the firmware actually detects what stick is connected (3DP or PP) and uses different USB descriptors & processing code. Ie. a 3DP shows up as \"Microsoft SideWinder 3D Pro (USB)\" and the PP as \"Microsoft SideWinder Precision Pro (USB)\". I do have the set for the \"Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback Pro (USB)\" in place, but I need a FFP for testing. Working on it..
- KoolBear
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1st Thread updates...
petem-j 1 Unit - by PM
Grax - 1 Unit
WillyP +1 Unit = 2 Units now
vb - all project files are located on the Grendels 3DP-Vert Website at http://grendel.koolbear.com/ or here's a direct link HERE
KB
petem-j 1 Unit - by PM
Grax - 1 Unit
WillyP +1 Unit = 2 Units now
vb - all project files are located on the Grendels 3DP-Vert Website at http://grendel.koolbear.com/ or here's a direct link HERE
KB
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Yeah, I've downloaded it, still there is no PCB files there.KoolBear wrote: vb - all project files are located on the Grendels 3DP-Vert Website at http://grendel.koolbear.com/ or here's a direct link HERE
KB
What did you use for the PCB layout program ? Eagle ?
Hm, put me down for two full boards, in their little box and everything.
What I want to do:
connect my two sw3dpros to USB ports.
More specifically, I want the damn \"not connected\" error to go away and I want to future proof my joysticks so I can continue to play the best game ever with the best joysticks ever made.
Still taking orders I hope?
What I want to do:
connect my two sw3dpros to USB ports.
More specifically, I want the damn \"not connected\" error to go away and I want to future proof my joysticks so I can continue to play the best game ever with the best joysticks ever made.
Still taking orders I hope?
- Bold Deceiver
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I would need completed units Mike. Can pay in advance if needed.KoolBear wrote:SO it's up to you if you want to pay more for a completed unit ... (about 8 bucks per board more!)
Thanks for your work,
Joe
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Oh, ok ! Since I'm planning to do the laser printer toner transfer method, but I don't have OrCAD.KoolBear wrote:OrCAD. OOP's maybe Grendel asked me for those. I'll find them AFTER I take my kids to the movies.
KB
Is it possible to generate PDF file with 100% scale which usually very accurate, so don't have to go through scaling nighmare !
Thanks.
So far so good. Needs more work, for some reason I can't get the ID packet out of this stick so the current condition to distinguish betw. the PP & FFP is the absense of an ID. Also, the FFP pulls all button lines low by default (3DP & PP pull them up..), I had to modify the bootloader to make that work. Work in progress, but I would say that the firmware for this batch of 3DP-Verts will support the 3DP, PP, and FFP.
The FFP I got has the part no. 96755, product ID starts w/ 66883-.. This FFP doesn't have a fan (the one I got in germany back in 97 had one). Anyone w/ different numbers ?
I'll deem it ok for now. Finished the detection of PP/FFP using the weired default button state of the FFP, figured out why I can't get an ID packet (hardware restriction, R/C timing value too big) and tried the PP & FFP for 10min each -- about as much time as I'm willing to spend on those sticks You get a 30% chance that the PPs or FFPs microcontroller crashes if you plug it into a powered converter, but it seems to work 100% if you plug the stick in first and then connect the converter to USB.
The FFP is probably the most sturdy stick of the three, but also has a lot longer throw. The PP is the weakest of the three IMO, I don't like its flimsyness & handling at all. To each his own I guess
This version of the code will go into this batch of converters if it happens. I'll release the code on the 3DP-Vert site as soon I find some time to package it up and write some documentation.
The FFP is probably the most sturdy stick of the three, but also has a lot longer throw. The PP is the weakest of the three IMO, I don't like its flimsyness & handling at all. To each his own I guess
This version of the code will go into this batch of converters if it happens. I'll release the code on the 3DP-Vert site as soon I find some time to package it up and write some documentation.
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Done. Slow day..Grendel wrote:I'll release the code on the 3DP-Vert site as soon I find some time to package it up and write some documentation.
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Grendel,Grendel wrote:Done. Slow day..Grendel wrote:I'll release the code on the 3DP-Vert site as soon I find some time to package it up and write some documentation.
Could you please zip in the PCB files as well, converted PDF if possible since I don't have OrCAD.
Thank you.
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KB -- change in BOM: replace caps C8 & C9 (10nF) with 4.7nF BC1076CT-ND (CAP 4700PF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10%).Grendel wrote:Code: Select all
Quantity|Part Number|Description|Unit Price USD|Extended Price USD 47 ATMEGA8-16PU-ND IC AVR MCU 8K 16MHZ 5V 28DIP 2.30000 $108.10 47 LM556CNFS-ND IC TIMER DUAL MONO 14-DIP 0.36000 $16.92 47 X227-ND CRYSTAL 12.000MHZ 20PF HC-49/US 0.51800 $24.35 94 1N5226BDICT-ND DIODE ZENER 3.3V 500MW 5% DO-35 0.21000 $19.74 50 200QBK-ND RES 200 OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM 0.05400 $2.70 50 4.7KQBK-ND RES 4.7K OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM 0.05400 $2.70 95 82QBK-ND RES 82 OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM 0.05400 $5.13 145 2.2KQBK-ND RES 2.2K OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM 0.05400 $7.83 47 P5177-ND CAP 4.7UF 50V ALUM LYTIC RADIAL 0.07700 $3.62 94 399-4332-ND CAP 15PF 200V 5% CER RADIAL 0.21200 $19.93 190 BC1095CT-ND CAP .010UF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10% 0.05010 $9.52 94 399-4329-ND CAP .1UF 50V 10% CER RADIAL 0.15700 $14.76 47 ED90064-ND CONN RECEPT USB TYPE B PCB 1.13000 $53.11 47 182-15FE-ND CONN DB15 FEMAL .318" R/A NICKEL 1.46200 $68.71 50 67-1647-ND LED 3MM SHORT LENS SUPER RED CLR 0.27800 $13.90 Subtotal $371.02
The per-board requirement of
4x BC1095CT-ND (CAP .010UF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10%)
changes to
2x BC1095CT-ND (CAP .010UF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10%)
2x BC1076CT-ND (CAP 4700PF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10%)
That way the converter is 100% compatible to the 3DP, PP & FFP.
A new project archive from today is available.
Please count me in for one complete unit if not too late!
Found this forum while looking for a way to use my Sidewinder 3D Pro on my new XP PC. It's just killing me not being able to use it. I bought a Seitek Cyborg and it just doesn't compare. Sure would appreciate it.
Tony12
Tony12
Sorry about that.
Sorry about that. Thought the subject line would show my request. I'd like you to put me in for one complete unit if it's not too late. Thank you.
Tony12
Tony12
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KB -- another (possible) change in the BOM: Y1 can now be a 16MHz crystal. That relaxes the timing of the routine that clocks in the data from the stick. I'm testing this mod ATM, PM me before you order components.
The per board requirement of
1x X227-ND CRYSTAL 12.000MHZ 20PF HC-49/US
would change to
1x X176-ND CRYSTAL 16.000MHZ 20PF HC-49/US
Project archive of today is available.
The per board requirement of
1x X227-ND CRYSTAL 12.000MHZ 20PF HC-49/US
would change to
1x X176-ND CRYSTAL 16.000MHZ 20PF HC-49/US
Project archive of today is available.
Ok, the 16MHz crystal is a \"go\". Current BOM for a single unit w/ DigiKey part numbers is:
Dang proportional font.. Someone change the CODE font to courier please..
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Quantity|Part Number|Description|Schematic
1 ATMEGA8-16PU-ND IC AVR MCU 8K 16MHZ 5V 28DIP U1
1 LM556CNFS-ND IC TIMER DUAL MONO 14-DIP U2
1 X176-ND CRYSTAL 16.000MHZ 20PF HC-49/US Y1
2 1N5226BDICT-ND DIODE ZENER 3.3V 500MW 5% DO-35 D1,D2
1 200QBK-ND RES 200 OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM R1
1 4.7KQBK-ND RES 4.7K OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM R2
2 82QBK-ND RES 82 OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM R3,R4
3 2.2KQBK-ND RES 2.2K OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM R5,R6,R7
1 P5177-ND CAP 4.7UF 50V ALUM LYTIC RADIAL C1
2 399-4329-ND CAP .1UF 50V 10% CER RADIAL C2,C3
2 399-4332-ND CAP 15PF 200V 5% CER RADIAL C4,C5
2 BC1095CT-ND CAP .010UF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10% C6,C7
2 BC1076CT-ND CAP 4700PF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10% C8,C9
1 ED90064-ND CONN RECEPT USB TYPE B PCB JP1
1 182-15FE-ND CONN DB15 FEMAL .318\" R/A NICKEL J2
1 67-1647-ND LED 3MM SHORT LENS SUPER RED CLR DS1
From Erin's green (and wet!) Isle
Hey, guys.
Like a few other people I've stumbled across this board while trying to resurrect my old Sidewinder 3D Pro.
If it's possible I'd love to sign up for either a kit of parts or complete assembly - whichever's easiest to ship across the water.
Any chance?
Mowgli
Like a few other people I've stumbled across this board while trying to resurrect my old Sidewinder 3D Pro.
If it's possible I'd love to sign up for either a kit of parts or complete assembly - whichever's easiest to ship across the water.
Any chance?
Mowgli
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I tried it w/ a Laptop that had Vista Home something on it, worked just fine. I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work w/ x64 ULightnin wrote:Will these work with Vista Ultimate 64 bit version?
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Turns out that the 16MHz code path is less reliable than the 12MHz version. So for now back to the 12MHz crystal, sorry for the confusion. KB, get your vent goingGrendel wrote:Ok, the 16MHz crystal is a "go".
Current BOM for a single unit w/ DigiKey part numbers is:
Code: Select all
Quantity|Part Number|Description|Schematic
1 ATMEGA8-16PU-ND IC AVR MCU 8K 16MHZ 5V 28DIP U1
1 LM556CNFS-ND IC TIMER DUAL MONO 14-DIP U2
1 X227-ND CRYSTAL 12.000MHZ 20PF HC-49/US Y1
2 1N5226BDICT-ND DIODE ZENER 3.3V 500MW 5% DO-35 D1,D2
1 200QBK-ND RES 200 OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM R1
1 4.7KQBK-ND RES 4.7K OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM R2
2 82QBK-ND RES 82 OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM R3,R4
3 2.2KQBK-ND RES 2.2K OHM 1/4W 5% CARBON FILM R5,R6,R7
1 P5177-ND CAP 4.7UF 50V ALUM LYTIC RADIAL C1
2 399-4329-ND CAP .1UF 50V 10% CER RADIAL C2,C3
2 399-4332-ND CAP 15PF 200V 5% CER RADIAL C4,C5
2 BC1095CT-ND CAP .010UF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10% C6,C7
2 BC1076CT-ND CAP 4700PF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10% C8,C9
1 ED90064-ND CONN RECEPT USB TYPE B PCB JP1
1 182-15FE-ND CONN DB15 FEMAL .318" R/A NICKEL J2
1 67-1647-ND LED 3MM SHORT LENS SUPER RED CLR DS1