M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB - 2?

Laria · Post by **Laria** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:53 pm

Hello,

I hope its not to late for me,
to order 2 konverters for me, please.

I will 2 complete units.

Greetings

Laria

crazy328 · Post by **crazy328** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:53 am

eh, not to be.. well, impatient, but when will we be expecting these to either order, or be made, or whatnot? I would really like one for my FFP.. dying to use it!! =P

anyways, any updates on final price for a complete unit or when they will be ready for shipment or payment options.. would be appreciated

thanks for all your hard work guys!

crazy328 · Post by **crazy328** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:12 pm

BUMP?

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:52 am

Thanks Big Crazy, life as usual has been a little crazy

I'll pull together all the information and options this weekend.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:24 am

I can chip in w/ the pre-financing, pm or vent.

Mr.Rsm · Post by **Mr.Rsm** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:32 am

I'd love to buy one

Hopefully that will enable me to carry on my FFB pro on to Win Vista times!

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:34 pm

Just updated the list with these ...
1x - Tony12
2x - Laria
1x - Mr.Rsm
1x - Lightnin (by PM)

Have I missed any others?

Mr.Rsm · Post by **Mr.Rsm** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:46 pm

I didn't see myself added on the mainlist

If this happens, how can we get the money to you? I think I'm only able to do paypal since I'm in Costa Rica.

By the way I've linked this to the community forums of the flight sim I do most of my online gaming at, IL2 Sturmovik, in the hopes that some of the sidewinder lovers over there might sign up on this as well.

dirt · Post by **dirt** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:08 pm

Gentlemen,

You didn't add me to the list...2 complete units, please.

dirt

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:25 pm

Updated with
dirt
Mr.Rsm
Mowgli
JazzyJet
crazy328

Anyone else? Please

vb · Post by vb » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:45 am

KB,

Mind share the PCB file in PDF please ?

TIA

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:47 am

vb wrote:KB,

Mind share the PCB file in PDF please ?

TIA

Is the file you want located in this zip file? ...
http://grendel.koolbear.com/files/3dpve ... -07-06.zip

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:50 pm

Nope. He's looking for a way to make his own PCB using the the current layout. I may still have the gerber files you sent me for checking on my comp at work, would that help ?

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:22 pm

Ok Gerber files here ...
http://Grendel.koolbear.com/files/3dver ... -FILES.zip

Mr.Rsm · Post by **Mr.Rsm** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:25 pm

any estimate on when production will begin?

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:35 pm

Ok all, I'll massage this as details roll in. Production Start under 3 weeks, need to nail down shop preferences reel vs loose parts (different part numbers)and most importantly correct/regen the gerber files.

Once I have provided you with a schedule and pricing (within the next few days) I will then setup a paypal account and start accepting payments.

Grendel and I will finance the startup cost to get the the initial board order placed. During this process (approx 2 weeks) we shoiuld be able to collect funds to purchase all the components. Then another 2 weeks to wave solder the boards.

Grendel I have no idea about testing other than I could plug them up and verify they work on my machine.

KB

Mr.Rsm · Post by **Mr.Rsm** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:47 pm

thanks for the info

joker23 · Post by **joker23** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:38 pm

Sounds like everything is still moving right along.

Good work guys!

vb · Post by vb » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:30 am

KoolBear wrote:Ok Gerber files here ...
http://Grendel.koolbear.com/files/3dver ... -FILES.zip

Thanks KB, but is it possible to convert it to PDF file please ?

Really sorry to bug you, I don't have program to open or at least to print it into 1:1 scale.

TIA

sprhawk · Post by **sprhawk** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:03 pm

Hi, I've scratch up a board following your schematic, but it doesn't work.

Your device is very great!
I've been trying to make a similar one for Force Feedback Proabout half a year before, but no progress.

This afternoon , I built one board by hand(I didn't finish a PCB), and I tried it-- but no response to the Windows(XP).
Even the sys gave no \"Found new hardware\" notice.
the system hardware management had no any updated information on the USB devices either.

the LED(connected to PD1), is always on(except a Blink on start/reset).

I read your firmware source code. I find it fistly run init_hw() function, and then the init the USB stack. So I assumed that the mcu didn't find my FFP. However, along with your bootloader readme file, It seems that when I plugged the device into the System, at least the system should have a response to the USB device. So I tried the bootloadHID.exe -r main.hex, it gave a \"cannot open the specified device\".

I don't know what's wrong with it. I test the voltage (with USB plug connected to the board), only about 4.0V, not normal 5.0V, I think someplace is wrong.

I used a NE556, I can't find a LM556 here, but I find the datasheet between them is the same.They min voltage is 4.5V, so I think something around Voltage is wrong.

I didn't go throught all the code of it, so i didn't well understand how the CODE runs.

Can you give me some more about the programming?
Why you use a 556 chip? is it following the US patent #5628686? to send a trigger signal?

If I want to make a similar device that support the Logitech Wingman series, must I used also a 556 chip to send a trigger signal?(of course, the connecting-wire is different).

Thank you!

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:06 am

Hey if at all possible I'd like to get one of these, I'd really like to be able to use my Sidewinder again.

You can email me at:

Kurgan62@gmail.comnospam

I'm not really concerned about cost, I'd just like to reserve 1.

BTW Grendel thnx for putting the work into reviving a great joystick

Munk · Post by **Munk** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:06 pm

I don't know the current models, but the ones I have have a strange LED behaviour.
On Powerup, the LED is almost on (in fact it is blinking at a very high rate).
When plugging in the joystick the LED is off. On Stick movement the LED lights up.

Maybe one should have the LED signals more intuitive.

periodic blinking while searching for joystick,
LED full on when all handshakes complete (so fully operational),
switch off LED while data transmission time (so creating an blinking pattern correlated to stick movement).
LED full off when no power (obvious)

I think this would ease things a lot when trying to determine the status of the MCU.
(at least I have this problem)

Sharpie · Post by **Sharpie** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:29 pm

Hi guys...Put me down for 2 more complete units. That would make a total of 4 all together. Hope it's not to late. Thank you Koolbear and Grendel for all your hard work on this project.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:17 pm

Munk wrote:I don't know the current models, but the ones I have have a strange LED behaviour.
On Powerup, the LED is almost on (in fact it is blinking at a very high rate).

A cycle is 4ms ON followed by 8ms OFF followed by trying to initialize the stick. If no stick is connected it's very visible since it's pretty bright. If a stick is connected when plugging it into the USB port this phase is over after about 500ms.

Munk wrote:When plugging in the joystick the LED is off. On Stick movement the LED lights up.

After the stick is initialized, the LED is turned ON after a good packet has been read from the joystick and turned OFF a short while after that. Now, reading the stick is triggered by the transmission of the last data packet via USB, ie. if the LED is permanently OFF there's no USB activity. This should not happen while operating the converter on a fully operational OS. The USB stack of the OS should poll the converter every 10ms, thus ligting up the LED at a 100Hz rate. The effect is that the LED is a lot darker then while "searching" for the stick. I think that's very desireable, you can still see if the converter is operating but you don't have an overly bright LED shining who knows where (in your face eg.

) There's no change in the LED pattern if you move the stick.

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:13 pm

Updated list with ...
[??] 1x FearlessRahul
[??] 1x Kurgan
[??] 4x Sharpie

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:34 pm

Can you give me an updated approx price for a fully built FFBP converter?

Strife · Post by **Strife** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:22 pm

I need one. Mark me down and tell me how to pay you.

Jackass · Post by **Jackass** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:54 pm

Hopefully not too late, but please put me down for a complete unit.

I may have gotten confused somewhere through the pages, but is there an option for the board and parts just not assembled? Or is it just fully assembled and/or just the PCB only? I personally have no issues with soldering up my own board, just waaaaay too lazy to source all the required parts myself.

oldman · Post by **oldman** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:16 pm

Is their a cutoff on getting one of these adapters?
Like many others I own a sidewinder 3D pro and would like to be able to use it again. I've played Descent many times but a number of years ago I stopped playing games. Recently I came across Sinistar Unleashed for just a few dollars and wanted to try it on my laptop. Playing it from my laptop for a few days reminded me that I had a joystick. However, of course, I had usb ports now not game ports. If I'm able to obtain an adapter I could perhaps dig up my copy of Descent.

As avid fans all of you can appreciate that! So what's the status of the recent batch of adapters?

dreamwraith · Post by **dreamwraith** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:13 am

If it isn't too late, i also would like to be put down for two of these bad boys.

Radman · Post by **Radman** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:13 pm

edit: cancel

scisme · Post by **scisme** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:31 pm

If reservations are still being accepted for this item, please put me down for one. Thank you.

Firefly · Post by **Firefly** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:46 pm

I would buy one assembled or a kit.

Radman · Post by **Radman** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:42 am

edit: cancel

Finally found an old Gravis Phoenix on Craig's List.

kyozlk · Post by **kyozlk** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:53 am

I used to lurk around here a lot, but managed to randomly stumble back onto here from Wikipedia searching for history on the 3DP.

If it's not too late, I'd like to reserve 2 preassembled units if possible. Would like to bring back my two 3DPs to life. Thanks in advance for all your work Grendel, KB and everyone else involved!

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:48 am

*bump* for KB..

paladin5000 · Post by **paladin5000** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:11 am

Hi,
I'm also interested in one. I would prefer a kit, but the finished box is also ok.

Thanks,
Peter

paladin_AT_mindless.com

Yosek · Post by **Yosek** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:12 am

Hey,

Does anyone have a 'Grendels 3D Pro Converter' kickin around that they want to sell me?? I wants one! Let me know, I can pay PayPal. HOOKER ME UP!

Thanks

crazy328 · Post by **crazy328** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:38 pm

*BUMPAGE*

mark08 · Post by **mark08** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:38 pm

are orders still being taken? I'd like one. fully assembled perferred, but I'll take a kit.

contact me at mark1(at)baretoes.net

thanks

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