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Scientists in possible cold fusion breakthrough

Mar 24 11:49 AM US/Eastern

Researchers at a US Navy laboratory have unveiled what they say is \"significant\" evidence of cold fusion, a potential energy source that has many skeptics in the scientific community.

The scientists on Monday described what they called the first clear visual evidence that low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR), or cold fusion devices can produce neutrons, subatomic particles that scientists say are indicative of nuclear reactions.

\"Our finding is very significant,\" said analytical chemist Pamela Mosier-Boss of the US Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) in San Diego, California.

\"To our knowledge, this is the first scientific report of the production of highly energetic neutrons from a LENR device,\" added the study's co-author in a statement.

The study's results were presented at the annual meeting of the American Chemical Society in Salt Lake City, Utah.

The city is also the site of an infamous presentation on cold fusion 20 years ago by Martin Fleishmann and Stanley Pons that sent shockwaves across the world.

Despite their claim to cold fusion discovery, the Fleishmann-Pons study soon fell into discredit after other researchers were unable to reproduce the results.

Scientists have been working for years to produce cold fusion reactions, a potentially cheap, limitless and environmentally-clean source of energy.

Paul Padley, a physicist at Rice University who reviewed Mosier-Boss's published work, said the study did not provide a plausible explanation of how cold fusion could take place in the conditions described.

\"It fails to provide a theoretical rationale to explain how fusion could occur at room temperatures. And in its analysis, the research paper fails to exclude other sources for the production of neutrons,\" he told the Houston Chronicle.

\"The whole point of fusion is, you?re bringing things of like charge together. As we all know, like things repel, and you have to overcome that repulsion somehow.\"

But Steven Krivit, editor of the New Energy Times, said the study was \"big\" and could open a new scientific field.

The neutrons produced in the experiments \"may not be caused by fusion but perhaps some new, unknown nuclear process,\" added Krivit, who has monitored cold fusion studies for the past 20 years.

\"We're talking about a new field of science that's a hybrid between chemistry and physics.\"

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Once they make something work, I'm interested. Until then, I don't really care what they have to say.
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Cold Fusion is a dud.
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Spidey wrote:Cold Fusion is a dud.
dude.. they said the same thing about flight (lead to space travel) and cars (lead to thrust SSC breaking the sound barrier).

Einstein once said: Imagination is everything. it's the preview of life's coming attractions.

Cold fusion will be a reality some day. It's just a matter of time. It will probably be a step to taking us beyond the stars.
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Useful fusion of some sort will probably be a reality. Cold fusion, I don't even think there's any evidence to suggest it's possible even in theory.

It doesn't mean it won't happen, but at the same time, I can hardly say it will.

Would be pretty convenient if it did though. But so would time machines and teleporters, and they seem to be about as likely.
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Anybody remember these?

“Nuclear power will make electricity so cheap, you won’t even have to meter it”

“Interferon will cure everything from cancer to the common cold”
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Spidey wrote:Anybody remember these?

“Nuclear power will make electricity so cheap, you won’t even have to meter it”

“Interferon will cure everything from cancer to the common cold”
hardly a reason to crap all over it.
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Spidey wrote:Anybody remember these?

“Nuclear power will make electricity so cheap, you won’t even have to meter it”
no reason not to still make money off of ;)
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[paranoia]The people behind the electric companies have been suppressing cold fusion because it would put them out of business cold fusion really did work way back when

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I think that if its plausible enough to theorize its existance, then odds are it can be done, we just lack the understanding of how, and it has to be done in a manner that the government won't come and kill you to protect an industry that has them in their pocket. This has been done many times. Car manufacturers had prototype carburators that made cars get 50mpg 25 or 30 years ago. They were suppressed by the oil industry.[/paranoia]
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Cold Fusion was a HOAX…get over it.
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Spidey wrote:Cold Fusion was a HOAX…get over it.
Probably. But if it was a dliberate hoax then it's got to be the dumbest hoax of all time. The scientists who made the original claims lost all credibility internationally and gained nothing in return, their findings were only partially duplicated, scorn and derision all round - Seriously, if you know it was a hoax, why would you bother? And secondly, if you knew the results of the first hoax, why would a US Navy Lab repeat it? Are they trying to *blunder* their way into extra funding?

Given the preposterous nature of the suggestion and the very real risk of derision and scorn for merely suggesting it - there's either something substantial to their research adn they're sure of their findings ...or they *are* the dumbest university-educated, government-supported, publiclly funded, scientific researchers of all time.
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Or they could simply be wrong about the source of the neutrons, as the article suggests.

A lump of clay sitting on your desk can emit neutrons, it’s called nuclear decay.

Let me know when someone converts a tank of hydrogen into helium at room temperature…K :wink:
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Note the researchers only say they have \"evidence\" not a working machine. So the core functionality looks to be plausible. Now someone has to invent something so Spideys lump of clay becomes a claymation.
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