Of course it isn't.Kilarin wrote:Your experience is probably not going to be adequate proof for most of us.
Reality is completely subjective in that regard. Unless "it" happens to you, it is completely open to skepticism and interpretation no matter how convincingly the tale told or "evidence" provided, and even if it was, there's still no certainty. 
This is true.Kilarin wrote:Not the most USEFUL answer. "Did so!", "Did NOT!", doesn't really get us anywhere. I see no reason to believe Skyalmain is lying to us about his experience.
Kilarin wrote:But that brings us to a problem with experience. Your experience is probably not going to be adequate proof for most of us. Actually, My OWN experience would not be adequate. If I saw a ghost myself, that would not be proof that it was a human soul as opposed to trickery, demonic influence, hallucination, or misinterpreted natural phenomenon.
Nice post. You found the words I couldn't.d0ggY wrote:Regardless of the existence or not, one thing is certain - shows like Ghost Hunters are ridiculous. If I actually believed in ghosts, I would be angry with those shows as their "proof" is beyond stupid. We live in an age of high-tech gadgets you can buy at your local electronics store and yet these people (same with UFO hunters) seem to only possess cameras from 1997 that barely capture anything except small shadows and odd sounds. Wooptidoo. Yet on each episode they find something "unworldly" but professional researchers with high-tech equipment never find anything. Odd.
I believe if there ARE ghosts, they won't show their faces to a bunch of 2-bit ghost hunters with cameras anyway so those shows are just idiocy and it amazes me people believe them.
As for ghosts themselves, I have seen a shadow of a person move across my doorway once when I was the only person home. It freaked me out but it was so quick that I don't know if my mind was playing tricks but I'd be more inclined to believe that even though the event was very vivid.
Having spent 7 years studying neuropsychology, many of these things can be explained away by neurological functions (things like memory, dreams, and de-ja-vu fall under the same category). A lot of 'environments' such as old houses and basements, etc, have certain conditions such as magnetic fields, low light, cold chill, damn air, etc that make people have heightened senses of another presence. It's no different than the Bermuda Triangle. Chemicals, light, and moisture can combine to make for amazing effects and mix that with a sensitive neuro-system and the fact that many people "want" to experience these events, they "exist" to them.
But maybe there really are ghosts. Who knows for certain? Until the entire world experiences the same event at the same time, people's personal "experiences" will always be doubtful, no matter how convincing.
Believe in the certainty of none and the possibility of all.
(Not asking for you to post an answer, just to decide for yourself.)
I wont....AAwww too late did!
Philosophically interesting. If you aren't even certain by what method life came to exist, how can you be certain that the results of that method are meaningless?Isaac wrote:they assume there is a point to life; there isn't. Life and humans do not matter. We were an accident caused by geology, by a method we aren't ware of. Aside from that, we can't assume anything is real
100% of all ghost images can be picked apart and explained, what the graphic artist did or what the security camera caught. There is nothing on the internet that shows a real ghost. There are no old photographs that show a real ghost. Only exposure or film discrepancies.Kilarin wrote:What you haven't told us yet is what is the basis for this belief?
Everything on this planet derives from local or alien geological influence. If nothing does actually exists everything's existence only work in the virtual machine that runs it. So it doesn't matter if reality is real or not, we play by the set of rules we labeled, physics. Mistakenly, as pattern finding machines, we try to figure out why it's all there. We try to find the author of it all, when the truth is, humans are not the reason for the universe. It's the other way around; if humans never existed it would all still be there.Kilarin wrote:Philosophically interesting. If you aren't even certain by what method life came to exist, how can you be certain that the results of that method are meaningless?
Wait..yes I got it... no...maybe...not sure.Isaac wrote: Everything on this planet derives from local or alien geological influence. If nothing does actually exists everything's existence only work in the virtual machine that runs it. So it doesn't matter if reality is real or not, we play by the set of rules we labeled, physics. Mistakenly, as pattern finding machines, we try to figure out why it's all there. We try to find the author of it all, when the truth is, humans are not the reason for the universe. It's the other way around; if humans never existed it would all still be there.
Notice he hides his hands....Isaac wrote:I'm really not trying to be troll here. I'm coming off as a little friendly, right?
Despite the silliness of these statements, they are actually quite relevant. I found it odd this conversation came up as just the other day I found myself wondering about the "soul" and how people believe that "grandma is looking down at me". As a matter of faith and spiritual uplifting, I admit I think that way sometimes too. But during a long, boring drive in traffic, I started wondering, "is grandma stuck watching me right now?" Then I went further and further beyond a point I, or most people, tend to think. What about Ceasar? What about some farmer 2500 years ago? What about some neanderthal way way back or even some sheepherder from 1591 AD? Who are they watching?! Maybe when they died, they watched over their son. Then their granddaughter. And maybe even their great grandkid. But then what? Even tracing back several centuries, the number of "relatives" would be staggering so wth are these "spirits" doing? Are they spending one day watching each descendant? Some speculate that 0.5% of the men in the world are descendants of Ghengis Khan. So who is he watching?!?!Kilarin wrote:Gay ghosts are watching you shower.Top Gun wrote:who the heck would want to spend eternity as an incorporeal Earth-bound spirit hanging around some old building?
True. So I could be watching this show about cavemen and now I hear they could also be watching me watch them. Cool. [/d0ggY wrote:Despite the silliness of these statements, they are actually quite relevant. I found it odd this conversation came up as just the other day I found myself wondering about the "soul" and how people believe that "grandma is looking down at me". As a matter of faith and spiritual uplifting, I admit I think that way sometimes too. But during a long, boring drive in traffic, I started wondering, "is grandma stuck watching me right now?" Then I went further and further beyond a point I, or most people, tend to think. What about Ceasar? What about some farmer 2500 years ago? What about some neanderthal way way back or even some sheepherder from 1591 AD? Who are they watching?! Maybe when they died, they watched over their son. Then their granddaughter. And maybe even their great grandkid. But then what? Even tracing back several centuries, the number of "relatives" would be staggering so wth are these "spirits" doing? Are they spending one day watching each descendant? Some speculate that 0.5% of the men in the world are descendants of Ghengis Khan. So who is he watching?!?!
Anyway, it's all well and good to postulate inane theories but the fact of the matter is, it is nothing more than our own reflective thought that creates any of this. All other animals, as far as we can tell, react reflexively to their environment. Yes, animals plan and can "think ahead", but even these can be explained based on instinctual signals. But as far as we can arrogantly tell, we are the only ones who seem to see "ghosts" and aliens and all this other paranormal activity. It leads me to conclude, albeit without certainty, that our overactive brains simply enjoy playing with "reality".
]wth??!!Kilarin wrote: Gay ghosts are watching you shower.
