House passes white supremacist terrorist bill

[woodchip]

So a couple of days after the Tx school shooting shows just how agenda driven the Libs really are. A white supremacist terrorist bill...really? If you are all for this then I suggest you look at his picture

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=salvad ... -Ramos.jpg

[Krom]

It was in response to the Buffalo shooting, which I know you already forgot about.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... orism-bill

[Ferno]

So a couple of days after the Tx school shooting shows just how agenda driven the Libs really are. A white supremacist terrorist bill...really? If you are all for this then I suggest you look at his picture

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=salvad ... -Ramos.jpg

Yeah, so agenda driven that they're banning abortions, books and making it harder for people to vote.

Oh wait, that's you guys! Showing us you care more about corpses and your own feelings than people. Turning your back on the original republican values.

You're worthless. Maggots have more value than you.

[woodchip]

It was in response to the Buffalo shooting, which I know you already forgot about.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... orism-bill

Tell me krom why do you insist on being so brain dead stupid that you throw out such ignorant replies? You enjoy trying to play the antagonist? Feel superior somehow? What ever happened to "see something, say something"? you forget about this? That makes 3 mass shooting where the police did nothing until it was too late. Lets instead call for de-funding the police. And when the republicans had a meaningful bill bill called the "school defensive act" guess what happened to that.

[Ferno]

I miss the old woodchip. He wasn't such a sensitive snowflake he is now.

Yes, let's call for defunding the police. defunding things that aren't their job, and funding those who can do the job better. Like mental health issues for mental health workers. So the police can do better policework.

[Krom]

Tell me krom why do you insist on being so brain dead stupid that you throw out such ignorant replies? You enjoy trying to play the antagonist? Feel superior somehow? What ever happened to "see something, say something"? you forget about this? That makes 3 mass shooting where the police did nothing until it was too late. Lets instead call for de-funding the police. And when the republicans had a meaningful bill bill called the "school defensive act" guess what happened to that.

You know what, you are right I was being a bit ignorant. In my defense I didn't click the link in your post because if we were to use the analogy that the internet is a public park then what I see your posts as is basically a pile of dog ★■◆● and clicking a link in one of them is like deliberately stepping in it. So the amount of effort I am generally willing to invest in a reply is on the level of "hey look at that pile of dog ★■◆●" or "I wish these jerks would clean up after themselves".

So lets connect the dots and figure out what I was being ignorant about... The house passed a bill addressing white supremacist terrorism after a white supremacist committed a mass murder in a predominately black neighborhood. Then after the bill was already passed (and likely never going anywhere in the senate), a non-white person committed a mass murder in a predominately non-white neighborhood. And then along you come with this:

So a couple of days after the Tx school shooting shows just how agenda driven the Libs really are. A white supremacist terrorist bill...really? If you are all for this then I suggest you look at his picture

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=salvad ... -Ramos.jpg

And, because this is a genuine certifiable pile of dog ★■◆●, I skim it real quick without clicking the link, instead I go searching about the bill the house passed to see what the context of it was.

Now that I actually took a look at your steaming pile of disease and parasite ridden dog ★■◆●, I'm really struggling to interpret it in any way that doesn't just scream racism. Like how are we supposed to interpret this other than "Look at the non-white person who also committed mass murder, white supremacy isn't the problem!" or "Non-white people commit mass murders too so bills targeting white supremacy are wrong!". Do you think pointing out that people other than white supremacists also commit mass murders is actually valid reason for not addressing white supremacy?

So in conclusion; you are a racist pile of ★■◆●.

Does anyone have a convincing argument of why I shouldn't just ban you right here?

[Darth Wang]

Does anyone have a convincing argument of why I shouldn't just ban you right here?

He's amusing and it's funny to watch him get destroyed.

[Ferno]

So in conclusion; you are a racist pile of ★■◆●.

Does anyone have a convincing argument of why I shouldn't just ban you right here?

How about a shadowban? Or maybe a script that changes everything he writes into "I am a total piece of ★■◆● and a waste of everyones time. Until I learn how not to be and learn some basic human empathy, this will keep reappearing".

[Top Gun]

Better a decade late than never!

[vision]

Now that I actually took a look at your steaming pile of disease and parasite ridden dog ★■◆●, I'm really struggling to interpret it in any way that doesn't just scream racism.

Thanks for writing this post, Krom. I was going to do it myself but just didn't have the energy the other day.

[Vander]

And when the republicans had a meaningful bill bill called the "school defensive act" guess what happened to that.

Why would we want to arm those pedophile groomers pushing crt and marxism?

[Ferno]

[Tunnelcat]

You know the other commonality woodchip? All these shooters were male near or at the age of 18. So get this, in Texas, you have to be 21 to buy alcohol. But you only have to be 18 there to buy a lethal semiautomatic rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammo, WITHOUT a driver's license either. What's wrong with this picture? Don't people realize that most males don't fully mature emotionally until about 25! In fact, females mature earlier than males, so why in the hell can an immature teen aged male buy a damn gun? Oh, and I guess we should be thankful that a Latino shot and killed other Latinos, or we'd be hearing even more bigoted crap from right wingers.

Oh, and actual Nazis want to take the stigma out of the word Nazi. Even though this article is from 2017, it's getting worse, especially since Trump and crew were in office. Even some in the Steam forum have commented that game developers are being pressured to remove the word "Nazi" from zombie games, although I can't find conformation about that.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/comm ... olfenstein

[Top Gun]

Beating the ★■◆● out of Nazis is a patriotic duty.

[Ferno]

Oh, but haven't you heard TG? Beating up nazis is something the eXTremiST WoKE LefTIsts only do! Because if you do that, yOUr'E As BAd aS THeM!

[Tunnelcat]

What's your beef, woody, with calling White Supremacists a terror group? That the Dems only went after white supremacists and ignored Antifa in their little bill, or maybe you harbor a little white privilege yourself and are insulted to be singled out? Most of the Antifa idiots are young WHITE males too, so personally, I think they should've been included in this bill as well since they're still causing problems in Portland IMO. Plus, they're cowards since they love to hide their faces while they go about their crap "protesting".

By the way, there have been far more than 3 mass shootings woody and in only ONE recent shooting did the police screw the pooch, in Uvalde. Just over the Memorial Day weekend, there were 14, where no amount of police presence would've stopped any of them. Unless of course you want us all to live in a repressive police state with curfews and other draconian measures, because I know you certainly don't want ANY type of gun regulations. As for school shootings, there seems to be a horrifying trend towards young males perpetrating the crimes. Why? And how would more police stop these types of males from going on shooting sprees when it's so easy to buy an assault weapon and no one says or questions anything?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/us/p ... -guns.html

Beating the ★■◆● out of Nazis is a patriotic duty.

No, head shots and nut sack shots are far more satisfying in the games of Sniper Elite.

[Ferno]

TC: why do you think he's worried about this bill? It targets his group - it holds his group accountable.

And he can't stand that. He was much more comfortable with slagging minorities and getting his jollies off his side shooting them. Now, he's worried he can't do that anymore.

since they're still causing problems in Portland

And I already told you that those are rightwing provocateurs posing as antifa. That's why the republicans won't start an inquiry - it would expose them and shatter their glass house.

[Spidey]

“I would prefer to call myself a populist,” Gendron reiterates elsewhere. “But you can call me an ethno-nationalist eco-fascist national socialist if you want, I wouldn’t disagree with you.”

[woodchip]

Does anyone have a convincing argument of why I shouldn't just ban you right here?

So threatening to ban me make you feel manly (or womanly) ? Did They make you a moderator here? I don't see you listed as a moderator. Do you now feel like you are empowered and your toxic masculinity is now fully charged? how does it feel to be a bully. See I used to respect you but not any more. Maybe living in your fathers basement has finally driven you stir crazy. Try moving out and paying your way in the world may help. I haven't seen any convincing argument so go ahead and ban me and show everybody what a moral thug you are. At least I won't have to read your limited language skills that only knows how to use four letter words in a sentence.

[woodchip]

What's your beef, woody, with calling White Supremacists a terror group? That the Dems only went after white supremacists and ignored Antifa in their little bill, or maybe you harbor a little white privilege yourself and are insulted to be singled out? Most of the Antifa idiots are young WHITE males too, so personally, I think they should've been included in this bill as well since they're still causing problems in Portland IMO. Plus, they're cowards since they love to hide their faces while they go about their crap "protesting".

When BLM is called a terror group instead of trying to call parents protesting school boards then I'll see your point. And I have to ask you what has changed since we grew up? Less gun laws then but school shooting non existent. I bought a shotgun when I was 16 and took it with me to college and kept it in my dorm room. No one was bothered. while Mr Stoner M15 was not yet on the store shelves but there was a dearth of WW2 firearms that were.

By the way, there have been far more than 3 mass shootings woody and in only ONE recent shooting did the police screw the pooch, in Uvalde. Just over the Memorial Day weekend, there were 14, where no amount of police presence would've stopped any of them. Unless of course you want us all to live in a repressive police state with curfews and other draconian measures, because I know you certainly don't want ANY type of gun regulations. As for school shootings, there seems to be a horrifying trend towards young males perpetrating the crimes. Why? And how would more police stop these types of males from going on shooting sprees when it's so easy to buy an assault weapon and no one says or questions anything?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/us/p ... -guns.html

First off red flags were triggered and absolutely nothing was done. There was a "school defensive act" proposed but not passed. Banning certain firearms and magazines is going to do squat. The Ulvade school, as I understand it, had some sort of policy but somebody blocked a door open through which the gunboy entered. It's people like TG who don't want their school to be a armed camp (hint: NRA has free teaching programs on how to protect your school...not all of which requires firearms.)
Right now we are awash in gun regulations, none of which seem to do any good. Chicago is one of the most restrictive cities for guns yet how many die the anyway. Hint...a failure to enforce existing laws. And you are wrong TC about me not wanting any gun laws...just not the kind you mistakenly believe would help. And living in a repressive police state is where we would be when the Marxist in the Dems win control and get all guns banned.

[TigerRaptor]

Deidel Deja Vu all over again.

[Vander]

I have to ask you what has changed since we grew up?

Literally everything? Which, IMO, is most of the problem. What we need is for all the old people with power to retire or die. They've certainly had their run. Among other failures, they didn't do a very good job of regulating our militia.

[vision]

BLM ... Chicago ... Marxist

Oh, oh! Two more and I've got enough to fill my right-wing dog-whistle BINGO card!

[woodchip]

I have to ask you what has changed since we grew up?

Literally everything? Among other failures, they didn't do a very good job of regulating our militia.

Regulating our militia? they didn't need to?

[Vander]

Regulating our militia? they didn't need to?

Didn't need to? Of course our militia needs to be regulated. It's a constitutional requirement.

[Top Gun]

Woody bringing the real small-dick energy today.

(Protip: Anyone who wants a school to be an armed camp is a sociopath.)

[woodchip]

Regulating our militia? they didn't need to?

Didn't need to? Of course our militia needs to be regulated. It's a constitutional requirement.

That wasn't your original reply. We were talking about what changed and maybe you're a lot younger than me but when
i grew up I don't think I even heard of militias so why would the have to be regulated (yes I know it says "A well regulated militia"

[Tunnelcat]

woody, Krom is God here, so he can do what he wants. If that includes banning you, that's his choice. But personally, I'd like to see you stick around because you keep raising the hackles of most everyone here and that keeps this section of the forum from becoming a dead zone. Someone's got to be the punching bag and any Trump lover rates right up there right now, so enjoy your status.

You want to call BLM a terror group, go ahead and be ignorant. But most of the people I see in that group just want to live in peace without having to live with our country's institutionalized racism or getting disproportionately shot and killed by the police for minor offenses. I've seen more white guys run and not get shot than black people, so it's still an issue even after George Floyd. And since Blacks tend to be in a lower income group that resides in poverty, their economic situation makes it more likely they'll have problems with crime too. Most of the violent behavior is usually instigated by young people (of any color) with nothing better to do but cause trouble. When they instigate a mob, that's mob rule taking, not an inherent issue with BLM protests. And Ferno, the Portland bunch are nothing but Anarchists out to raise Cain for the shear hell of it. They certainly aren't Antifa or right wing instigators and are just a bunch of thugs who need to be thrown in jail. So woody, if you don't think that White Supremacists deserve to be called a terrorist group, just ask all those Jewish people who's Synagogues have gotten attacked and vandalized by white perpetrators firmly believing in that insipid hateful Replacement Theory crap, something that Tucker Carlson is spreading like the plague. The flagrant antisemitism alone should be enough to mark them as terrorists. If you believe that Anarchists should also be labeled as terrorists, I agree.

As for the Uvalde shooter, he raised no red flags. All those in his private chat group never said anything to anyone, so whoever they are, they are scum and enablers and need to be prosecuted for keeping their mouths shut and allowing a mass murder to take place. But personally, that kid should not have been able to go out and buy a gun or the ammo in the first place, period. He was just another angry teenager that had some sort of twisted vendetta and a thorough lack of emotional control to deal with whatever issues he had. The law says he's an adult at 18, but science says the mind isn't quite ready yet emotionally. So at the very least, it's time to raise the age for purchasing a gun in every state. I'd vote for 25, but that hasn't got a chance in hell, so 21 is the next best thing. I also believe that every state needs to perform thorough background checks on every guy buyer in every venue, personal or public. It can be left up the states to perform if you don't like the idea of the feds doing it, but it needs to be a requirement. If the buyer is under the age of 21, the parents need to be informed as well. I've had a background check on every gun I've ever purchased. It hasn't interfered with my purchases whatsoever because I'm a responsible adult with no fantasies of mass murder. You may have been able to take a shotgun to school, but nowadays, most colleges or schools, especially in urban areas, would have your ass arrested for possessing it on school grounds.

What's different today than when you or I went to school is that we have now the internet and social media, which has elevated bullying to a whole new level and art form of mechanized teen-aged torture. Kids can't escape it today and most kids are glued to their phones and social media like a drug. Every foul word or hateful comment kids spout towards each other runs around the net like an overflowing poison river, forever ruining the lives of any kid unfortunate enough to be targeted. Once something is put on the net, it stays on the net like a scarlet letter. I repeat, I'm certainly glad the internet wasn't around when I was a kid in high school. The bullies who went after me had to do it personally and it was far easier to ignore them and walk away to avoid them. Nowadays, once you're a target, you remain a very social target with no chance of escape. It becomes a personal nightmare because kids are just plain cruel when they want to be. I don't know what the Uvalde's shooter's beef was, so either it will come to light, or remain forever secret if he never felt the need to gripe about whatever it was that was bothering him. Being an adolescent automatically makes you crazy and irresponsible anyway.

As for your ideal of turning every school into a fortress, that may be what's needed now in this day and age, but it's a sorry state of affairs in a country that craves freedom. So if we have armed angry emotionally immature teenagers running around with assault weapons because you and your political party remain stuck in the mud with the ideal that even an immature kid should be able to buy a gun of his own free will, then an armed camp is what we'll need in every school. Worse, even a grocery store or other public place where people gather will need to be locked down, because those are the next targets. Same with other gathering venues like concerts or theaters. So following your logic, we'd need to lock down every public place the way things are heading.

You also keep conveniently forgetting that Marxists aren't the only ones who want a police state. Fascists, like your man Trump represents, want the same exact thing, a police state to keep all the people they consider undesirables or criminals shoved under the rug, stuffed in closets or thrown in prison. In Trump's case, everyone who isn't a white privileged conservative male will need to be put in their place, like Blacks, Jews, Native Americans, Muslims, LGBTQ people, liberals and yes, even women, will be beneath him and his fetid lily white followers. And anyone who doesn't kiss his ass will be a target.

And FYI, the Constitutions says: Well regulated militias". NONE of these bozo white militia groups running around armed to the teeth are regulated by their respective states, period. They are nothing but soldier wannabes, vigilantes and terrorists forcing their will and ideology on law abiding citizens.

https://www.pellcenter.org/a-well-regulated-militia/

[Ferno]

I don't see you listed as a moderator. Do you now feel like you are empowered and your toxic masculinity is now fully charged? how does it feel to be a bully. See I used to respect you but not any more. Maybe living in your fathers basement has finally driven you stir crazy. Try moving out and paying your way in the world may help. I haven't seen any convincing argument so go ahead and ban me and show everybody what a moral thug you are. At least I won't have to read your limited language skills that only knows how to use four letter words in a sentence.

Every accusation is a confession.

Did you miss the fact he now owns a Tesla? Something you could never afford.

Did you also miss the fact that he's an administrator here? Sure like to act bigger than you are, and one of these days it's going to bite you in the ass hard. In case that was missed, I'll put it in such a simple way that even you can understand.

He. Is. Better. Than. You.

Banning certain firearms and magazines is going to do squat.

You know that's not true. But you're throwing that out as a distraction. Nobody with any sense listens to this.

Chicago is one of the most restrictive cities for guns yet how many die the anyway.

You know this is caused by gangs stealing guns from peoples homes and using smuggled weapons. But here you are distorting ★■◆● again. So you can ★■◆● off with this ★■◆● out right of the known universe.

turning every school into a fortress, that may be what's needed now in this day and age

NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. DON'T EVEN DARE. You're proposing turning schools into prisons. You really want kids to be in that kind of an enviornment? Just because you're letting your feelings get in the way? That idea needs to be put in the garbage can.

[Vander]

That wasn't your original reply. We were talking about what changed and maybe you're a lot younger than me but when
i grew up I don't think I even heard of militias so why would the have to be regulated (yes I know it says "A well regulated militia"

My shtick here is that every gun owner is part of the militia in regards to the 2nd amendment. That the right to bear arms is specific to that purpose, and that it is to be well regulated.

But yes, literally everything has changed since you grew up. Things are now materially, psychologically, ideologically, and legally different. And never mind how everything has changed since the 2nd amendment was written.

I'm mostly of the opinion that it's too late for legit gun control. We fucked that up long ago, like most things. I'd welcome change, but there's too many guns already out there, and the people opposed to it have been arming and hyping themselves up for a civil war. Quite simply, there's too many Americans who don't want to be citizens sharing responsibilities with other Americans.

[Darth Wang]

I heard a disturbingly plausible theory that the reason the police were so ineffective in Uvalde was because, early on they accidentally shot a kid, and then refused to go back in or let anyone else in because they hoped the shooter would eliminate all of the witnesses to their crime.

[Spidey]

I heard a disturbingly plausible theory that people use the internet to start and spread conspiracy theories and some other people unwittingly amplify them.

[Tunnelcat]

turning every school into a fortress, that may be what's needed now in this day and age

NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. DON'T EVEN DARE. You're proposing turning schools into prisons. You really want kids to be in that kind of an enviornment? Just because you're letting your feelings get in the way? That idea needs to be put in the garbage can.

You misunderstood me. That's NOT what I want. But it's what's going to happen as long as Republicans decide that buying any type of gun is a more important right than allowing children to have normal school freedom in our society. They'd rather everyone be able to buy any assault weapon they want and all the ammo they want without impediment. So their "solution" (and woody's as well) to children being mass murdered is to turn all our schools into locked fortresses because they can't compromise on their crazy stance one little bit. The next step will be to turn all public places into fortresses as well, just to keep out all the armed nutcases who were legally able to buy weapons of war with the nod of every Republican in Congress and in state government.

[WarAdvocat]

Disclaimer: I like guns. There are several in my house. I am uneasy with the thought of gun control, not so much because I disagree with the idea as that I understand and believe that the end game is gun seizure. I am honest enough to admit that I like the idea of me having a gun a whole lot more than I like the idea of one of you other fuckers having one.

There's a lot of talk about mental health in the Republican pro-gun rhetoric. In fact, there's a lot of science that backs that up. They've identified that most mass shooters are suicides that basically take an honor guard with them. They don't plan to survive these acts. Studies over the last 20 years or more have determined that this is overwhelmingly the case. They've found that abuse, bullying, sexual victimization, absent or dead (often by suicide) parents are all contributing factors. There are always highly visible indicators, going back years and years prior to the attacks.

The main recommendation I read from one team of researchers was to integrate mental health into our educational system - as parents are both disinclined to label their children as mentally ill, as well as rarely proactive even when they have concerns. That is, when they're not flat out the problem themselves - either actively or through absence in one form or another. Early, consistent intervention would nip many of these incidents in the bud - long before the proverbial red flags appear. That is a noble goal by itself, but of course these kids would be a small minority of the people who receive mental health support if a system like this were enacted. I'm not sure if this is the only, or even the best way... but it's something.

The potential benefits of following up on the mental health problem could be literally incalculable. Of course that would require funding. Billions and billions of dollars according the aforementioned research team. Red flag laws that are ignored or poorly implemented are much cheaper... as are crappy bans that do nothing to stop people from using ubiquitous computerized additive or subtractive manufacturing processes to bypass those laws.

[Vander]

We balk at free school lunches and underpaid teachers are buying their own classroom supplies. I kinda doubt shrinks will happen.

One thing isn't going to fix this. It's not just the mental health of individuals or access to raw killing power. We are sick as a society. We've incentivized exploitation. We're taught to hate people we'll never meet, for reasons that will never affect us. We LOATH doing something for someone else and not getting credit for it. We can't fix anything that isn't easily converted into a monetary value, and we're having issues because life isn't a spreadsheet.

[Krom]

Also the whole mental health angle is just blowing smoke. Do you think mental health issues are unique to the U.S. or something ridiculous like that? Lots of people all around the world have mental health issues but mass shootings outside of the U.S. are extremely rare. Republicans love to talk about mental health because it lets them pretend they are doing something about gun violence without actually doing anything about gun violence.

I'm going to quote someone from a different site I visit because it is relevant:

Lengthy rant about the scapegoating of mental illness:

It's a bit late, and I've skipped ahead, but every time there's a mass shooting and Republicans start blaming mental illness, it's just so enraging. Yes, they're deflecting, yes, they have no intention of actually addressing mental illness, but what they're also doing is blaming an extremely vulnerable minority, and because of how the mentally ill are constantly presented to society at large (they're just so cRAzy, and scary, and violent, and they're roaming our streets!), most people just hop on board this framing, from politicians, to the media, to the cops, to everyone. A vast majority of people arguing for gun control end up responding to this framing with a "yes, but...", as in yes, mental illness is a big problem that obviously contributes to gun violence, but the best solution is to take the guns away.

This is a harmful ★■◆●ing lie. People with severe mental illness are ten times more likely to be the targets of violent crime than the general population (gee, I wonder why). Only a tiny percentage of violent crimes can be linked to someone with a severe mental illness, and most people who are mentally ill are absolutely no more likely to be violent than anyone else. The absolute epidemic of mass shootings and gun violence in general in this country is not, in any ★■◆●ing way, related to mental illness, and the framing is always, always, always "well, clearly he was mentally ill, look what he did".

If you substitute any other minority into this framing it's clearly horrible and bigoted, but society is just so awash with linking the mentally ill to Bad, Dangerous, Uncontrollable, and Undesirable that it just doesn't register, even with folks who would otherwise be disgusted. We are just so used to seeing, hearing, and saying things like 'person believes/did/voted for X, clearly they're mentally ill', that we do it without thinking. How many times has a horror movie, or a video game, or some cop procedural introduced an insane asylum in any way other than "ooh scary creepy violent crazy people" (and hey, in a video game you'll almost certainly get to shoot them!)?

So Republicans get away with it. Do we desperately need good mental healthcare in this country everywhere? Absolutely, in the same way we need good healthcare in general, because it's good for people to be able to live their lives fully and without pain. We do not need it to "reduce crime" or "make people normal" or "get the crazies away from the public". We do not need it to prevent mass shootings. We do not need it to get people to vote "correctly" or stop people believing in conspiracies.

Actual point:

The truth is that Republicans absolutely do take measures to deal with the "mental healthcare crisis". They're enthusiastic about addressing it. In fact, they never stop talking about it. Because, you see, the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They're unresponsive to the argument that making guns less accessible will result in less bad guys having guns, because there will always be bad guys with guns. And if they don't have guns, they'll have knives. Or cars. Or big rocks. The bad guys will always be scary and dangerous, and they must always be met with immediate, lethal force. In the case of mass shootings, the 'bad guys' are the mentally ill. In the case of crime, the bad guys are black people or 'illegal aliens'. In the case of terrorism, the bad guys are muslims. In the case of "culture" the bad guys are atheists, or gays, or transfolk, or women, or minorities in general. Good guys with guns don't become bad guys with guns, they were always just bad guys with guns. Bad guys with guns will never be good guys with guns, because they're bad guys, and they can't stop being "the bad guys".

And the only way to stop "the bad guys" is a good guy. With a gun.

[WarAdvocat]

Studies have shown that there are strong correlations between suicides and mass shooters. Check out "The Violence Project", for example. They suggest mental health approaches based on specific data on mass killers. Not just some "oh mentally ill people are bad" diversion. Obviously the demonizing is a political ploy. I am just thinking that a multi-pronged approach should definitely include the suggestions I so poorly presented.

Of course I also agree with Vander that it's vanishingly unlikely to be put in place...and also that our society is sick AF.

[Tunnelcat]

We balk at free school lunches and underpaid teachers are buying their own classroom supplies. I kinda doubt shrinks will happen.

One thing isn't going to fix this. It's not just the mental health of individuals or access to raw killing power. We are sick as a society. We've incentivized exploitation. We're taught to hate people we'll never meet, for reasons that will never affect us. We LOATH doing something for someone else and not getting credit for it. We can't fix anything that isn't easily converted into a monetary value, and we're having issues because life isn't a spreadsheet.

No easy fix, because the underlying social sickness is perpetuated by our own media. Violence sells and makes money. Movies and TV shows are rife with glorifying guns and using violence and those guns to solve problems. Videogames are the same way. Kill the enemy as violently as possible with as big a gun as possible. What's made me sick is watching the mainstream news at night with their sob stories. They sit there night after night pontificating how sad all this is and that we need to do something. Well, part of that "something" is being broadcast every night on your own damn networks. Show after show, movie after movie, glorifying guns and violence. Young boys especially now associate guns with glory and power because they see people on TV or in the movies looking heroic with their guns, so it makes sense that our society now overwhelmingly leans towards violence to solve problems.

[Vander]

No easy fix, because the underlying social sickness is perpetuated by our own media.

No easy fix because the media has the same incentive structures and ownership as the rest of society. Quite simply, we've allowed the owners to own too much. All they're doing with it is accumulating more power and reducing our ability to take it back.

[Tunnelcat]

What happens when that tiger they're holding by the tail turns far enough around to bite back? By creating violent social instability for their own power and greed, they are creating something that's not stable in the long run. Everyone loses, the powerful included.