Covid Vac causes transplant rejection
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Covid Vac causes transplant rejection
Didn't quite believe this when I heard this on a conservative talk show, so I looked it up. It's true:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34620770/
So now I have to wonder what kind of WOKE Mengele"s doctors determined a nonvac patient couldn't a liver transplant until he was vaccinated.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34620770/
So now I have to wonder what kind of WOKE Mengele"s doctors determined a nonvac patient couldn't a liver transplant until he was vaccinated.
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What does woke mean?
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"Originally Answered: What does "woke" mean? It means that someone is virtue signaling and incredibly stupid. There is no such thing as "woke". That is simply a buzzword with no meaning other than outright stupidity. On top of that, it's bad grammar."
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Seems like people who use the word "woke" are virtue signalling and incredibly stupid.
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Also what a shocker, woody wasn't mentally competent enough to read past the first line and discover that the patients were all showing improvement with corticosteroid treatments.
Also what a shocker, woody wasn't mentally competent enough to read past the first line and discover that the patients were all showing improvement with corticosteroid treatments.
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5 patients out of millions vaccinated. The percentage of affected people is so low, it's only a tiny blip of concern since there's even a treatment available to counter the reaction. You and your antivax trolls are grasping at straws woody.
It's also no surprise since these vaccines boost a person's immune system. I've actually found 2 latent infections I didn't know I had thanks to my body's boosted immune system after the vaccine. That boosted immune system also took care of those infections, although with a little aching, without medical intervention either. I'd say that was a win.
As for the person not being able to donate without getting a vaccine, would you want a liver donated to YOU from someone who had Covid and didn't know it and you the recipient on anti-rejection drugs then got Covid from this anti-vax moron's donated liver? Being on immunosupressant drugs and getting Covid would most likely be a death sentence.
It's also no surprise since these vaccines boost a person's immune system. I've actually found 2 latent infections I didn't know I had thanks to my body's boosted immune system after the vaccine. That boosted immune system also took care of those infections, although with a little aching, without medical intervention either. I'd say that was a win.
As for the person not being able to donate without getting a vaccine, would you want a liver donated to YOU from someone who had Covid and didn't know it and you the recipient on anti-rejection drugs then got Covid from this anti-vax moron's donated liver? Being on immunosupressant drugs and getting Covid would most likely be a death sentence.
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What's stupid is you focusing on a word and not the post.
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If I was dying from a liver disease, I wouldn't care where the hell the liver came from.Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:56 pm 5 patients out of millions vaccinated. The percentage of affected people is so low, it's only a tiny blip of concern since there's even a treatment available to counter the reaction. You and your antivax trolls are grasping at straws woody.
It's also no surprise since these vaccines boost a person's immune system. I've actually found 2 latent infections I didn't know I had thanks to my body's boosted immune system after the vaccine. That boosted immune system also took care of those infections, although with a little aching, without medical intervention either. I'd say that was a win.
As for the person not being able to donate without getting a vaccine, would you want a liver donated to YOU from someone who had Covid and didn't know it and you the recipient on anti-rejection drugs then got Covid from this anti-vax moron's donated liver? Being on immunosupressant drugs and getting Covid would most likely be a death sentence.
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Yeah, but it's more interesting for me to interrogate the far right psyche than trying to research and come to an informed opinion on the interaction between medical ethics and emerging medical science.woodchip wrote:What's stupid is you focusing on a word and not the post.
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OK. I guess we as a nation should make damn sure that self centered antivaxxers should only be allowed to donate or receive donated organs to/from OTHER self centered antivaxxers just to keep everyone else safe. But, that means the government needs to keep a database of every moron who's never been vaccinated so that the rest of us who want nothing to do with an receiving an organ from a possible Covid spreader can be assured we don't receive an infected organ and add to our already messy and EXPENSIVE health issues. And I can bet you'd throw a major effing hissy fit if you got an HIV infected liver.
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There are cases of injuries and deaths caused by seat belts. But we still wear them, since they prevent a hell of a lot more injuries and deaths than they cause.
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Words matter. A lot. Especially since this is the medium we communicate with here. You do a tremendous amount of virtue signaling, naturally, since you are the biggest victim of the culture war I've ever seen. You're entire online persona is regurgitating complete nonsense you see in your propaganda feeds. Not only are you continually wrong about everything, you don't seem to have even an original thought in your head. It's quite shocking and sad really.
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And if he had his brain in gear, he'd understand that ANY vaccine meant to boost a person's immune system would probably have that effect on some immunosuppressed transplant patients. That's not a surprise either like its some world shocking revelation.
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The conclusion of the abstract you linked starts with "These cases suggest acute corneal endothelial rejection may occur soon after either dose of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine.". No one expects a covid vaccine to protect against corneal rejection so of course those may still occur afterwards.woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:37 am Didn't quite believe this when I heard this on a conservative talk show, so I looked it up. It's true:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34620770/
Now do they occur at a higher rate than without vaccination? If the data on that was in and was clear cut it would probably be mentioned in the abstract. Instead it just says further studies are needed. That's fair enough but no reason to go jumping to conclusions.
Not sure why you bring livers into it, considering the paper is about corneal transplants.
As long as there are waiting lists for organs the patients with the best expected long term outcomes are likely to get prioritized.
Not being vaccinated is riskier in general and the lifelong immunosuppressive treatment required after transplantation will increase covid risk a lot.
Also, one has to adhere to a treatment plan and probably do some lifestyle changes to get optimal outcomes. Ignoring basic health advice that would require minimum effort does not inspire confidence in this regard. To be fair though, a lot of people have made going against that particular advice a part of their self-image, so following it would require a rather large mental effort for them.
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Y'know, I thought I smelled Woody's bull★■◆● from way up here, so I had to come to the board to see what it was.
And he used the word 'woke' legitimately with no sense of irony. Knocking himself out with the definition he posted. Like watching a person ride a bike and jamming a stick into the spokes. Now watch as he comes after me with "you shouldn't read leftist propaganda" or some other nonsense.
As for the study -- Four cases out of 12.7 billion. That's an infinitesimally small amount of rejections. About the same number of times woody has been right in all the topics he's posted.
Let's break this down.
So while it's entertaining to see you badly misinterpret a study to fit your preconceived notion that 'CovID BAcciNe iS BaD!', it should be put in the trash. Like all your other opinions.
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And he used the word 'woke' legitimately with no sense of irony. Knocking himself out with the definition he posted. Like watching a person ride a bike and jamming a stick into the spokes. Now watch as he comes after me with "you shouldn't read leftist propaganda" or some other nonsense.
As for the study -- Four cases out of 12.7 billion. That's an infinitesimally small amount of rejections. About the same number of times woody has been right in all the topics he's posted.
Let's break this down.
Key word is may. Meaning it might not even happen in other patients.These cases suggest acute corneal endothelial rejection may occur soon after either dose of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine.
Meaning that when given a topical (on skin or body) steroid treatment, like the type used to treat other skin cases like Eczema, will poissibly abate rejection.Prompt initiation of aggressive topical steroid therapy may result in complete resolution of clinical signs and symptoms.
This is especially important Woody. This here means that they have not reached a solid causal link.Further studies are needed to elucidate the causal mechanism of corneal graft rejection after COVID-19 vaccination.
So while it's entertaining to see you badly misinterpret a study to fit your preconceived notion that 'CovID BAcciNe iS BaD!', it should be put in the trash. Like all your other opinions.
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Sorry, but while you would like to think my psyche is far right, you are deluding yourself.Vander wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:28 amYeah, but it's more interesting for me to interrogate the far right psyche than trying to research and come to an informed opinion on the interaction between medical ethics and emerging medical science.woodchip wrote:What's stupid is you focusing on a word and not the post.
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How do you perceive yourself?
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Won't be long until we see woodchip spin another lie
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You ARE "far right". Your party has long since redefined what "the Left" is on the political circle, so even moderates and independents are now socialists and Marxists in your world view.
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LOL! Just because there are Nazis on one side of you it doesn't make you center-right. You've been primed by a propaganda machine to think you are the normal one and that everyone on this board is Antifa. That's how propaganda works. Everything you've posted here over the years points to you being a far-right nutcase.
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The Nazis aren't so much "to one side" of him as "mostly overlapping" him.
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