Patch Status

Feedback for the Outrage Entertainment D3 dev team members - bug reports, patch issues, your raves (or rants).
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He's still with us!

Post by Repo Man » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:26 pm

Pugwash wrote:He commited suicide as the US entered Baghdad. I thought that was a shame, he rocked. He had chat show host written all over him.
Infidel!!! Good ol' Baghdad Bob is not dead!!! He has a new gig on Abu Dhabi TV. :)
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Post by Kyouryuu » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:28 pm

I was just going to say that.... lol
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Post by Repo Man » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:33 pm

Come to think of it...Since he speaks English, I bet Baghdad Bob would be a big hit on the Air America talk radio network! :p
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Post by Top Wop » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:04 am

I wonder if he and Oprah could switch places. That would be an interesting setup. :)
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Post by Kyouryuu » Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:55 pm

He should be the Special Iraqi Correspondant (tm) that every news station has a dozen of.
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Post by Pugwash » Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:48 am

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationmin ... _jobs.html

That website seemed a little confused about what he was doing now. I do hope I am wrong and he is alive and kicking. He could be the Iraqi "springer" :P
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Post by MD-1224 » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:52 pm

Hey, I remember seeing him...heh. He was the one that said, "We're winning!", while all the while the US planes were flying overhead. That was hilarious!
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Post by MD-2389 » Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:22 pm

heh, and you posted in this old ass thread to say that? ;)
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Post by GehRehmee » Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:37 pm

As long as we don't give up our hope in this thread, we don't have to give up hope in the patch :)
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Post by MD-2389 » Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:53 pm

heh

*points to Multiplayer forum*

Its out dude.
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Post by Mr. Perfect » Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:46 pm

It's kinda out. The 1.5 people are using is the old PC-only beta.
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where is the 1.5 patch?

Post by Topher67 » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:46 am

So can I get the windows only 1.5 beta patch (website)?
Also, if I install it, I assume I will not be able to join any 1.4 multi-player games -- right?
Is there a way to switch between the two patch levels?
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Post by CDN_Merlin » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:10 am

Copy your D3 folder and install 1.5. This way you'll have 2 v ersions.
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Post by GehRehmee » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:46 pm

Unless I'm mistaken, it's been over a year now since the last word from Kevin or anybody from Outrage. Is the hope for an official 1.5 patch (esp. something that would help us Linux players) still alive, or are we more or less finished? Is it even worth having a D3 Dev Team forum anymore?
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Post by Kyouryuu » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:24 am

I'd say it's long abandoned.

Although I'm sure Kevin is a busy man, it's a shame he can't take a couple minutes out of a day to speak one way or the other about the patch status.
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Post by Top Gun » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:53 am

Either that, or pass the code over to someone who could take the time to finally finish it. I know there are probably legal issues, but I highly doubt that anyone on the planet would care in the slightest if someone got their hands on D3's source code. I'm sure that there's at least one person in this community who would be able to finally finish the thing up.
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Post by GehRehmee » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:55 am

Top Gun wrote:Either that, or pass the code over to someone who could take the time to finally finish it. I know there are probably legal issues, but I highly doubt that anyone on the planet would care in the slightest if someone got their hands on D3's source code. I'm sure that there's at least one person in this community who would be able to finally finish the thing up.
GehRehmee wrote:If Descent 3 is really as dead as it sounds, how much longer will it be before we see an open source release a la Descent 1 and 2? If we're able to just do our own 1.5 patch soon, maybe Kevin's just figuring it's easier to wait?
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Post by Skyalmian » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:53 am

Kevin, I was told, has a bad habit of hogging source code. If I remember correctly, it was said that he was partially responsible for bringing down Kahn by hogging code necessary for it to run on certain operating systems.

So this isn't a new scenario.

I did a quickie search a while ago. Pair his name up with his wife's first and you'll find him in Tucson near Davis-Monthan, Arizona. Didn't get a phone # like I wanted, though. I only intended on first congratulating him on the baby (best wishes from the DescentBB, etc.) and them politely asking him about the 1.5 project. :|
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Post by DCrazy » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:42 pm

I called Nate Goudie at work once. I never got an email back from anyone at Outrage ever again.
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Post by Ferno » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:01 am

Skyalmian wrote:Kevin, I was told, has a bad habit of hogging source code. If I remember correctly, it was said that he was partially responsible for bringing down Kahn by hogging code necessary for it to run on certain operating systems.
That's a pretty serious allegation dude..
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Post by Skyalmian » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:19 pm

Ferno wrote:
Skyalmian wrote:Kevin, I was told, has a bad habit of hogging source code. If I remember correctly, it was said that he was partially responsible for bringing down Kahn by hogging code necessary for it to run on certain operating systems.
That's a pretty serious allegation dude..
I didn't originally say it, but given the current D3 source circumstances, it seems quite true:
The one who told me on March 02, 2005 wrote:I knew the guy back when he was with Stargate Networks (the folks behind Kahn) and he was the same way back then.

He's also partially responsible for the downfall of Kahn.

He hoarded the 32-bit code necessary to let kahn run on 2000/XP, and wouldn't release it, so Kahn eventually died.
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Post by Grendel » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:06 pm

Maybe we should get some heat on in that case..

Edit: http://www.samspade.org/t/lookat?a=www.kevlar.net
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Post by Skyalmian » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:03 pm

Figures that I looked at all the wrong places.
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Post by Grendel » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:10 pm

;)

If someone manages to get the source code, I could maintain the Windoze part and set up & maintain a CVS server on my 24/7 comp so other (Linux/Mac/Win) programmer can access the code. I'd secure it w/ a weekly changing password than would be mailed to "registered" programmers. Or we could set up a source forge project..

Well, one can dream.. :(
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Post by Topher67 » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:26 pm

Grendel wrote:Well, one can dream.. :(
That's a sweet dream indeed. With the source released, I'm sure the community could do a lot with the game (bug fixes and enhancements). However, at this stage of the game (oops -- made a pun) this is very much looking like a pipe dream. Itâ??s a shame too â?? D3 could really use a shot in the arm about now.
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Post by Kyouryuu » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:25 pm

Screw Descent 3. Between Diedel's D2X and DLE-XP and Pumo's Windows XP revision of DEVIL, we have a serious D1/D2 renaissance coming. Just as much fun as Descent 3 anyway.
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Post by Duper » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:52 pm

Kyouryuu wrote:Screw Descent 3. Between Diedel's D2X and DLE-XP and Pumo's Windows XP revision of DEVIL, we have a serious D1/D2 renaissance coming. Just as much fun as Descent 3 anyway.

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Post by Ferno » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:36 pm

Kyouryuu wrote:Screw Descent 3. Between Diedel's D2X and DLE-XP and Pumo's Windows XP revision of DEVIL, we have a serious D1/D2 renaissance coming. Just as much fun as Descent 3 anyway.
agreed. D3 = stinky
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Post by Top Gun » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:49 pm

Kyouryuu wrote:Screw Descent 3. Between Diedel's D2X and DLE-XP and Pumo's Windows XP revision of DEVIL, we have a serious D1/D2 renaissance coming. Just as much fun as Descent 3 anyway.
I'd have to respectfully disagree. While the D1/2 renaissance is great, D3 will always be my personal favorite. Just take a look at the FS2 SCP and imagine if those same type of improvements could be made to D3's source code...the possibilities are almost limitless.
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Post by darwinsGate » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:01 pm

There is a link on descent3.com to download the 1.5 patch for windows. I read somewhere that this is Kevin Bentley's and Suncho's site so I presume the patch is legit, right?

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Post by Duper » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:10 am

"legit" is loose phrasiology.... but yea.. it's out there..
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Post by Fusion » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:00 pm

Duper wrote:"legit" is loose phrasiology.... but yea.. it's out there..

and here is how you can get the 1.5 patch:
phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4830
and this is my source:
phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4953

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Post by darwinsGate » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:25 pm

Kevin Bentley says "Ok, I do have permission to release patches now!" in this thread - phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=144&postdays=0&po ... t&start=40


Is there some other issue that calls the patch's legitimacy into question?

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Post by Grendel » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:09 pm

This 1.5 patch was sanctioned for release 3 or 4 (!) years ago. The person who got the permission hold it off expecting a full 1.5 release (incl. Mac/Linux) shortly (at that time). Got pissed enough after a few years to finally release it..
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Post by GehRehmee » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:59 pm

darwinsGate wrote:Kevin Bentley says "Ok, I do have permission to release patches now!" in this thread - phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=144&postdays=0&po ... t&start=40


Is there some other issue that calls the patch's legitimacy into question?

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Well, its always sort have been assumed that d3 players on all platforms would be able to play each other multiplayer. The existance of an official win32 1.5 patch without a corresponding update for mac and linux.. well... frankly it's sort of a slap in the face. "Thanks for paying for your game, sorry you can't play with 95% of the other players." My hope that I'm reading too much into this is dwindling.
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Post by Top Gun » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:48 pm

darwinsGate wrote:Is there some other issue that calls the patch's legitimacy into question?
Kevin wasn't the one who released it; a member of the community did. As such, it isn't an official release in any sense of the word. There are some of us who feel it never should have been released at all in this way.
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Patch Status

Post by Topher67 » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:17 pm

Hypothetically speaking, letâ??s say someone released the source code (acquired by whatever means). What do you think would happen?
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Post by GehRehmee » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:52 pm

Topher67 wrote:Hypothetically speaking, letâ??s say someone released the source code (acquired by whatever means). What do you think would happen?
If it's under a moderately open license?

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See if you can't get it hosted on icculus.org. Public CVS and bugtracking. Get it compiling on a few platforms (IIRC the D3 Linux released used SDL, which should be pretty easy to port back to windows & OSX). Once you're down to one source tree for all platforms, fix bugs. All this is dependant on a reasonable level of manpower & interest, but given Descent's slighty-quirky/geeky nature I imagine it would be relatively easy to market to developers.

Put together a package with a D3 base, single-player missions (official or 3rd party), some good multiplayer, and it would offer gameplay that nobody else is really doing under Linux.
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