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[Sniper]

x100 for Eagle's model.

[[]V[]essenjah]

I agree. Eagle's is VERY nice but it is a little too smooth looking. I do like the overall shape of it though.

[KoolBear]

BUBBALOU wrote:

Also BTW you can make you own model out of clay, wood, or wax for your casting mold and save $500

Bubba I am not sure I have the time to invest in learning the art of casting. Nor do I really have the desire. Let's see if this comapny can make them cheap enough. If so I would say let them. If not then we will figure out something. Once we have the first model that rest shouldn't be to big of a deal.

[Diedel]

Eagle's pyro in D2X-XL:



Too smooth looking?

[Sniper]

I would prefer a true-to-original, as it would be in real life. Real life comparison can only be made to the model that we see in the movies in Descent. IMO, Eagle's model comes the closest without reg flags popping up in my minds eye.

[KoolBear]

Sniper wrote:

I would prefer a true-to-original, as it would be in real life. Real life comparison can only be made to the model that we see in the movies in Descent. IMO, Eagle's model comes the closest without reg flags popping up in my minds eye.

This I can't deny, nor would I try .

[d3jake]

I agree with Sniper for most of his post.
The only reason why we have low-er res models is for resource management on computers, so when the model is made, its not being rendered, now is it?

[Aus-RED-5]

Well, I'm a 100% sure that I don't want to see this version on my computer desk.

[KoolBear]

Aus-RED-5 wrote:

Well, I'm a 100% sure that I don't want to see this version on my computer desk.

X5,345,892

But I loved it in game!

[Aus-RED-5]

Hummmm... ok then.

Have you seen the *New* low res pyro in D2X-XL?

[Capm]

Hey, Diedel, quit threadcrapping, get back on topic. Do you want one or not?

[KoolBear]

Diedel, thank you that was the answer I was looking for.

You like Eagles Pyro.

[Diedel]

I am glad I am having enough of your attention to be understood now.

Diedel (Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:39 pm) wrote:

I like Eagle's pyro best, particularly if he adds attachment brackets for the missiles. The edgy style looks truest to the original and just makes it look better than the softened up other models, imo.

[KoolBear]

Diedel wrote:

I am glad I am having enough of your attention to be understood now. Diedel (Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:39 pm) wrote: I like Eagle's pyro best, particularly if he adds attachment brackets for the missiles. The edgy style looks truest to the original and just makes it look better than the softened up other models, imo.

Me too, I thought we were on the same page.

I totally agree, actually I like Spe3tre's the best it is BEAUTIFUL. Simply outstanding.

BUT Eagle's remains beary true to the game while providing more detail!

I understand Eagle's was made from a Pyro Ferno had made several years ago. I seem to recall it. Ferno do you still have that model?

KB

[Ferno]

blah.. no, i lost it when the backup CD was damaged.

[KoolBear]

[Aus-RED-5]

That looks pretty cool KB.

Update on that model?

[KoolBear]

Duper wrote:

I think you can export the model using DTX.

Duper is that a D2 Utility, one that can be found on PD?
If you have it installed can you see about exporting it?

Aus-RED-5 wrote:

That looks pretty cool KB. Update on that model?

Thanks Aus-Red-5. I am going to use Eagle's Pyro. I have asked Issac if he will perform the final modifications to the files. If anyone else is interested in doing them let me know.

Sorry I shouldn't have gotten off topic with my modeling of the game version GX. I split that conversation.

KB

UPDATE: Bubbalou has offered to clean up Eagle's model.

[KoolBear]

Below is part of an ongoing conversation I am having with the SLA house...

NOTE: The pricing shown below is what the original model will cost ME to produce not you. PLEASE DON'T THINK THAT THE MODELS THAT this pricing reflects your cost. What I hope to offer won't be anywhere near this costly!

If there's anyone out there that want's an SLA model instead of a casting from one. And you are willing to shell out the big bucks I am sure we can drive down that $200.

Quote:

Hey Michael, It was good to speak with you on the phone and connect with a fellow hardcore gamer. I took a look at your site and its awesome that you guys are rocking it old skool as they say. If you are really into old games like me, you should take a look at http://www.the-underdogs.info/ A great resource for downloading or buying old out of print games. For your project I scaled down the fighter to around 6" and by the looks of it you could do fine with SLA technology, which has less detail the but trade off its a bit cheaper. Both SLA and Objet can be primed and painted for customization. We can do that in-house or you can do it yourself. The only thing I'd be worried about is the gun tips, right now they are 25 thou which is just approaching the limit of the machines. They have a minimum wall thickness of 20 thou but it this case I think the guns will come out alright. Thank you for your offer to for us to make samples of them! Below you'll find our pricing that I made sure is very competitive, with a discount for quantities. For one fighter: SLA: 200 Objet: 400 For two fighters: SLA: 380 Objet: 760 Let me know what you'd like to do and then I'll adjust the manual quote for you on Xpress 3D. Then we can get this project going for you. I look forward to seeing how these come out! Dan Straka InterPRO Rapid Technologies 630 Industrial Park Road Deep River, CT 06417 Toll free: 888-392-0957 Fax: 860-526-8056 www.interpro-rtc.com

Quote:

Mike, I sat down with our project manager and the molder and we started to quote your part. The missiles will have to be separated out, and even the ship cut in half. As we talked further it seemed like the molding option might start to be getting out of the budget for the project. As it is it would cost somewhere between 2 - 3 thousand for the making of 3 molds and already it sounds like it might be pushing your budget. So I thought as an alterative it might be best to make straight SLAs. What you could do to drive down the price is have the fighter be built in two halves and shelled out. Like a model kit. That would really drop down the volume of the fighter and thus the price. After shelling it out, I would suggest cutting around that red line on the jpeg. I talked to Dan and he though the best and easiest way is to just make the one cut. Let us know what you would like us to do. Take care. Dan Straka

Let's sum this up, to make the STL in one SOLID part will cost considerably more then if I break it up.

If I have to break it up we might as well break it down into more/smaller parts. The bed the part is processed on is 20"x20". Currently the SLA would be a is solid. If we shelled it out so all we had were the other skins (just like a model car or plane) We consierably reduce the volume and processing time.

Sitting in the normal position the Pyro will be serveral inches tall (more time to process) if we split the wings/stabalizers/missles/cockpit and then split the bodt ib half we effectively have a lower z-axis travel (shorter process time) we might be able to shave more off the cost. I'll ask Dan this Monday.

Bubbalou has offered his services to make Eagle's model ready.

Thought's? Idea's? Concerns?

Bubbalou, you know if we spilt it up it'll be much easier to mold the parts. We might actually be able to do it with paying big bucks for teh mold.

On a slightly different note I am going to order Sp3tre's model for now while we work out the details on Eagle's model I have a little money burning a hole in my pocket, if I don't spend it on me it'll be spent on my kids I never purchase anything for ME!

[CDN_Merlin]

Wouldn't giving the the specs for the other model not change the price?

[d3jake]

KoolBear wrote:

My order of preference to date (pending ferno) 1) Sp3ctre's ...

Which one is his?

[Aus-RED-5]

Aus-RED-5 wrote:

Eagel's is good, but I don't think it's the best when it comes to detail. I'd like to see Ferno's pyro when it's finished before I place any votes. So untill then...... What about this pyro? It's from the Into Cerberon team. Full of detail and unpainted. You know it's going to look great straight out the mold! I'm hoping Ferno's pyro will have lots of detail something like the IC pyro.

[Duper]

The one thing I don't like about Eagle's pyro is it's a bit too thin through the underbelly. The D2 pyro in the movie is rather blocky.

[KoolBear]

UPDATE:

After considerable discussion with the various houses that quoted this model for me. And after speaking with Bubbalou at length. Here's the tentative plan.

Bubbalou is going to recreate us a model from scratch based on the original Pyro-GX. Not the lo-rez game version but a Hi-Rez version.

This model kit will likely consist of ...
(2) vert stablizers
(2) Lower Wings
(2) Engines
(1) body possibly split in half
?(1) Canopy (the canopy may or maynot be seperate if it is removable we could cast it in a clear material - this is still open)

Bubbalou has said that within a week or two he should be complete.

By spliting the Pyro into individual parts it will be much easier to create the cast/mold and then to process the parts.

More information to follow soon.

Regards,
KB

[KoolBear]

I heard from Bubba yesterday, hopefully this weekend he'll post something for all to see and hopefully agree on. I have to get this going my kids will spend the money I have set aside

[Tankie2]

I'd love to have a model Pyro for my book case. If I can afford one. Will PayPal purchase be possible?

It would also be neat to have some tiny ones for a charm bracelet or earrings. If your casting silicone isn't suitable for Low Tenp casting alloys could you make hard wax castings available?

with some little ones cast from hard casting wax I could cast my own from zinc or lead-free pewter low temp casting alloy. I could do that myself with a blow torch & casting plaster.

[KoolBear]

We are in a holding pattern, Bubbalou is re-creating a model for us now, it will be broken into a few parts to make it easier to mold.

I will look into get smaller versions made.

We need to talk about the pewter models, I sure would LOVE to get one myself. Is it a pretty easy process?

[Tankie2]

Here is a good link to basic pewter casting.
http://www.technologystudent.com/equip1/pewter1.htm

A bit of historical information.
http://www.warehamforge.ca/pewter.html

Some low melting point (fusible) alloys you can use.
http://www.purityalloys.com/Low%20Melting%20Temp%20Alloys.htm

[BUBBALOU]

Just a quick update, most proportions are in place


Next will be smoothing and features

[KoolBear]

Bubbalou,

Can you send me an image or two I want to look at how this will be assembled, at least before you spend the extra time smoothing and texturing.

KB