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Happy Independence Day!

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:20 am
by Dakatsu
About 233 years ago, we as a nation said: \"Hey, Brits, GTFO!\" :D

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:37 am
by Octopus
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May we survive a few more years!

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:35 am
by dissent
http://www.blackfive.net/.a/6a00d8341bf ... e30970c-pi


http://www.heritage.org/Research/Though ... /fp_11.pdf

http://blog.heritage.org/2008/07/03/ind ... e-forever/
So, why do we commemorate July 4? We celebrate the 4th because it was on this day that our founders set forth a statement of ideas which justified the separation “to a candid world” and established the principles that would serve as the foundation for the new nation.

These principles are grounded in a higher law which is derived from both reason and revelation – “the laws of nature and nature’s God.” It begins with the principle that “all men are created equal,” meaning that they are equally “endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights” which are grounded in natural law, not bestowed on us by government. Among these rights is the right to liberty, and to self-government; therefore the Declaration also states that governments “derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

These principles contributed mightily to America’s growth from a modest, undeveloped country into the freest and most prosperous nation in the history of the world. Celebrating the 150th anniversary of the Declaration, Calvin Coolidge (who, incidentally, was born July 4, 1872), defended the principles of the Declaration from assault by progressives who challenged the wisdom of the framers:

“It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning cannot be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people.”

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:37 pm
by Kiran
Happy Independence Day

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:02 pm
by Zantor
Happy Independence Day!

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:34 pm
by Dedman
I think we stopped being independent a while ago. The fireworks were cool though.

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:30 pm
by Tunnelcat
Unfortunately, our independence has been bought and is now controlled by the highest bidder, and it ain't us, the commoners. I'm still going to go watch the fireworks. Huzza!

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:38 am
by Sirius
If that is indeed so, it can still be reclaimed, though.

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:25 am
by Duper
Happy Birthday!

(you too Canada! ;))

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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:18 am
by CUDA
tunnelcat wrote:Unfortunately, our independence has been bought and is now controlled by the highest bidder, and it ain't us, the commoners. I'm still going to go watch the fireworks. Huzza!
Declaration of Independence wrote:But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:08 pm
by Stroodles
Yay! July 4th! Let's get wasted and blow up explosives! Meanwhile, we can ignore how little control we actually have over the government! Ohhhhh boy!

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:50 pm
by Vertigo
Happy Independance Day to all you USA people :)

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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:24 pm
by Dedman
Sirius wrote:If that is indeed so, it can still be reclaimed, though.
I think we still can. It is going to take a real revolution in the way we as Americans think of our role in Government.
We are going to have to remember that WE are the Government, not the politicians. They work for US, remember?

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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:29 pm
by Zantor
CUDA wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:Unfortunately, our independence has been bought and is now controlled by the highest bidder, and it ain't us, the commoners. I'm still going to go watch the fireworks. Huzza!
Declaration of Independence wrote:But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
That is absolutely true; yes our country is run by an oligarchy of sorts, and yes, the Declaration says that we can overthrow a government that has ceased to serve its people; such a revolution is in the works, but quiet and steady.

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:06 pm
by JMEaT
Happy belated 4th! We spent more time in traffic than watching fireworks.