read the psalms. its in there too.

Sort of...but no. The Hebrew word for soul is nephesh, meaning " a breathing creature" (taking a breath). There really isn't a word in the Hebrew language that describes the soul in terms of what modern english describes. The Hebrew system of thought doesn't ...

I just want to add a little more about Platonism, I may have glossed over that name a little quickly in my last post, and seeing how there was a thread going on about the soul. Plato was probably the first philosopher to describe the \"soul\" (man's essence) as being immortal. His theology was a ...

I have discussed Jewish history. After a century of excavation we know today that the stories of liberation are myths. We seem to agree here so I won’t dwell on it.

I have discussed early entry points of Persian ideas into Jewish sectarian culture and the elements they introduced, that later ...

You know Lothar, in some ways I think we are saying the same thing but from different perspectives.

In terms of the movie “Zeitgeist”, we both agree that the movie itself is a propaganda piece. I’ve never said that the claims it made could be referenced to ancient manuscripts. Again, I don’t have ...

Thanks for that insight FSV. Well done.

Therein lies the difference of opinion: the theistic view and the non. I continue to struggle with one aspect of this perspective and that is no matter what a person’s personal view, there was an actual history and course of events that is not dependant any ...

If I understand you correctly FSV, I detect a Marcionist perception on your part. I may be off base on that, correct me if I’m wrong.

By that I mean, it’s acceptable to consider Judaism (OT) theology as derivative, but not Jesus (NT). Before I go any further, Is that correct?

You have yet to show me any hard evidence to the contrary. All you have done is countered logical theory, and not provided anything other than christian rhetoric.

I've been following this thread for a while. Let's take a look at this from a truly logical perspective.


You made the following ...

Here is my perpective in a nutshell:

When I do any historical reading about cultures that date from any period of antiquity there are stories of gods, goddeses, praising, smoting, and the things that go along with it. The cultures that surrounded (and spawned) the Jews were cultures from ...

Each of the four canonical Bibles focus on Jesus from a different perspective: chosen king, servant, perfect man, God (in that order), while touching on the other three. Trying to frame that as a "contradiction" demonstrates shallow reasoning.

Why is that? You mean to say that being a king from ...

Formerly SV

There is an oxymoron taking place in this conversation in the sense that you (and Lothar) are asking for hard evidence against a story in which there is no hard evidence.

It's all just conversational speculation anyway, from either point of view. To take it further is ungainful in any ...

Lothar, thought I'd bored you enough! Glad your back, Kilaren has been keeping me on my toes and adding good discussion. I understand time constraints for online debates. Priorities.

What I find In my research is that the history of Judeo/Christian belief systems is that it’s a long and complex ...

Gekko

At this moment, I just thought of a character and I will name her Flamooey. I will imagine that she lives on the 14th moon of Earth and wears asteroids for earrings.

Now (according to your logic) I honestly can't prove that she doesn't exist, even though I just thought of her right now ...

Kilaren.

You have to look at the big picture, and by that I'm mean the history of Judaism/Christianity and the cultural changes that occurred over a long period of time and how that impacted religion. Just looking at the time of 3AD to about 36AD does not tell us very much.

Over the course of ...

Kilaren:

The cultural parallels I am referring to are the ones outside of the bible. There is much evidence of ancient jews worshipping the bull (paintings in caves), that was a practice of their neighbors. Many early religions worshipped the bull.

As to how it relates to the bible, the story of ...

I have read this before in my research on this topic. It’s interesting to note the Tektonic information used is cited from the same author that I linked above, David Ulansey. He genuinely seems to be an objective and enthusiastic scholar on this topic and likely the best source of information we ...

For those that are interested, here are some links to information about the cult of Mithras. There are also Christian based sites that attempt to weaken the link between Christianity and Mithraism, but they haven’t done a very good job IMO. I am approaching this with an open mind.

Here is the bio ...

Kilarin

In response to:

“Christianity began absorbing a great deal of paganism only a few hundred years after it's start… and with good documentation to back it up”

I am also aware that Christianity has absorbed a lot of Pagan rituals after it’s start. I am also aware that Christianity absorbed a ...

In regards to your argument # 2, and last post:

The Christians festivals are a carryover from pagan festivals. You agree. You make a comment or two about the semantics about the narration, but not an argument against the assertion.

You mention the cross with a circle. You are correct in saying ...

Duper – I understand the time involved in researching such material, but I don’t see the harm in trying. The antithesis to this is having a completely uninformed opinion. I do take what I read with a grain (truckload) of salt. I also don’t believe the stories were compiled at one time. One of my ...

Suit yourself Duper. Do no research at all.


Lothar, As for the misunderstanding about the website reference. I am a member of a fishing website (I get fishing reports in my locale) FishBC. Fishing is my hobby – In my work I study them.

BTW, this is what you asked. “JohnG, where did you ...

Duper wrote:

Horus the KRST. Jesus the Christ.

roflmao. ooohkay.

LOTS of info regarding that very point from the egyptian book of the dead. Take a minute yourself and research it.

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Thanks for the reply Lothar. In regards to the movie (I got around to watching it) I found it interesting although I agree that it is presented in a propoganda-esque style.

I am not an authority on religion by any means and also a non-believer, however, I have always been ...

Argument 3: On Astrological Ages

One of the major claims of the movie is about the astrological ages . The age of Taurus the Bull lasts from 4300-2150 BC; the age of Ares the Ram from 2150 BC - 1 AD, the age of Pisces the Fish from 1 AD to 2150 AD, and the age of Aquarius the water-bearer will ...