the evil of artificial sweeteners
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Another Mythroid wrote:Type 1 diabetes however is generally understood to be caused by an autoimmune disease, it's like HIV.
Type 1 is a hormone deficiency caused by a nervous system deficiency directly linked to the Pain Receptors in the pancreas which actually produce insulin when they receive pain. Type 1 is also directly linked to the effect of animal bovine proteins introduced into the human bloodstream. Type 1 diabetes for the longest time was actually called the "Milk Disease"
Insulin is a Human Growth Hormone
I use one of these Medtronic MiniMed
I seem to have a better workout dodging your stupidity than attempting to grasp the weight of your intelligence.
I believe the milk thing is still considered a fringe theory Bubba, i know i've never heard of it from my endochroniologist anyway (or maybe he's outof it).
The primary test for type 1 diabetes is still an antibody test, they test for the antibodies for your own islet cells. So it's very much an autoimmune diesease.
The pain receptors bit though is very new, and promising. I almost considered injecting myself with a chilli solution when i read about it.
The primary test for type 1 diabetes is still an antibody test, they test for the antibodies for your own islet cells. So it's very much an autoimmune diesease.
The pain receptors bit though is very new, and promising. I almost considered injecting myself with a chilli solution when i read about it.
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Once Again \"Type-I\" was called \"THE MILK DISEASE\" for years....
My diabetes is a Direct result of over consumption of whole milk in a 3 week period, my levels were almost 20x's normal - and that is not a JOKE!
Actually the antibodies they are checking for ...... antibodies to a animal protein ... not human
Patients with insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus produce antibodies to cow milk proteins that participate in the development of islet dysfunction... Taken as a whole, our findings suggest that an active response in patients with IDDM (to the bovine protein) is a feature of the autoimmune response.\"
New England Journal of Medicine, July 30, 1992
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The Dairy Industry is really big business, with sales of over $11 billion for milk and $16 billion for cheese annually in the USA alone, so you might expect hard line marketing from them, but would you expect them to aggressively sell their products if they were known to be harmful to people, especially to women and children?
The Dairy Management Inc. has specifically targeted children in their campaign. (1) This will raise no public concern, because most people consider cow's milk the healthiest of all food choices, especially when it comes to children. Over 25% of children are overweight in Western countries and cow's milk, cheese, yogurt, ice cream, butter, and sour cream, with all their fat and calories, contribute greatly to this deadly epidemic. Many of these overweight children are now developing type-2 diabetes. However, the most common variety of diabetes found in children is still type-1 or insulin dependent diabetes (IDDM).
Type-1 Diabetes The evidence incriminating cow's milk consumption in the cause of type-1 diabetes is sufficient to cause the American Academy of Pediatrics to issue these warnings, \"Early exposure of infants to cow's milk protein may be an important factor in the initiation of the beta cell (insulin-producing cells of the pancreas) destructive process in some individuals.\" (20) \"The avoidance of cow's milk protein for the first several months of life may reduce the later development of IDDM or delay its onset in susceptible people.\" (20)
Exposure to cow's milk protein early in life, when the intestinal tract is immature, sometimes results in the milk protein entering the blood stream where antibodies to this foreign substance, cow's milk, are made by the immune system. Unfortunately, these same antibodies also attack the insulin- producing cells of the pancreas. By glassful of milk after spoonful of ice cream, over a period of about 5 to 7 years, the child destroys his or her own pancreas and is left with a lifelong, life-threatening, handicap: diabetes. The pancreas is forever destroyed and the child will have to take insulin shots daily. Complications, such as blindness, kidney failure, and heart disease will be a real threat during his or her shortened lifespan.
My diabetes is a Direct result of over consumption of whole milk in a 3 week period, my levels were almost 20x's normal - and that is not a JOKE!
Actually the antibodies they are checking for ...... antibodies to a animal protein ... not human
Patients with insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus produce antibodies to cow milk proteins that participate in the development of islet dysfunction... Taken as a whole, our findings suggest that an active response in patients with IDDM (to the bovine protein) is a feature of the autoimmune response.\"
New England Journal of Medicine, July 30, 1992
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The Dairy Industry is really big business, with sales of over $11 billion for milk and $16 billion for cheese annually in the USA alone, so you might expect hard line marketing from them, but would you expect them to aggressively sell their products if they were known to be harmful to people, especially to women and children?
The Dairy Management Inc. has specifically targeted children in their campaign. (1) This will raise no public concern, because most people consider cow's milk the healthiest of all food choices, especially when it comes to children. Over 25% of children are overweight in Western countries and cow's milk, cheese, yogurt, ice cream, butter, and sour cream, with all their fat and calories, contribute greatly to this deadly epidemic. Many of these overweight children are now developing type-2 diabetes. However, the most common variety of diabetes found in children is still type-1 or insulin dependent diabetes (IDDM).
Type-1 Diabetes The evidence incriminating cow's milk consumption in the cause of type-1 diabetes is sufficient to cause the American Academy of Pediatrics to issue these warnings, \"Early exposure of infants to cow's milk protein may be an important factor in the initiation of the beta cell (insulin-producing cells of the pancreas) destructive process in some individuals.\" (20) \"The avoidance of cow's milk protein for the first several months of life may reduce the later development of IDDM or delay its onset in susceptible people.\" (20)
Exposure to cow's milk protein early in life, when the intestinal tract is immature, sometimes results in the milk protein entering the blood stream where antibodies to this foreign substance, cow's milk, are made by the immune system. Unfortunately, these same antibodies also attack the insulin- producing cells of the pancreas. By glassful of milk after spoonful of ice cream, over a period of about 5 to 7 years, the child destroys his or her own pancreas and is left with a lifelong, life-threatening, handicap: diabetes. The pancreas is forever destroyed and the child will have to take insulin shots daily. Complications, such as blindness, kidney failure, and heart disease will be a real threat during his or her shortened lifespan.
I seem to have a better workout dodging your stupidity than attempting to grasp the weight of your intelligence.
i copypasted the quoted section of that study into google and ONLY found a handful of anti-milk websites. Nothing else.
They could just as well be quoting one another.
if you know of the original reference, could you please add it into the wiki article - there is a \"REFERENCE NEEDED\".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_m ... physiology
They could just as well be quoting one another.
if you know of the original reference, could you please add it into the wiki article - there is a \"REFERENCE NEEDED\".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_m ... physiology
That does appear to be a legitimate article from what I can tell (i.e. searching medical databases which my university has access to). However, related articles seem to indicate that theory is far from well-accepted - there are other articles that suggest it could be rather dubious.
P.S. This is most likely the source:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/327/5/302
P.S. This is most likely the source:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/327/5/302
i always had issues with cow's milk. Grew up on substitutes like soy milk and rice milk
So i've drunk precious little cow's milk - especially as a kid. But i guess i had to drink some of it to know it didn't agree with me eh.
i don't mind it now though, every few months i might pour myself a single glass. i get most of mine from cheese and icecream
So i've drunk precious little cow's milk - especially as a kid. But i guess i had to drink some of it to know it didn't agree with me eh.
i don't mind it now though, every few months i might pour myself a single glass. i get most of mine from cheese and icecream
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But I love cheese, and yogurt, and icecream, etc...WillyP wrote:I hate milk.
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Same here.... although I'm not a big fan of frozen food since I get cold easily. I am going to add DanActive to my daily intake of food just to see how well it helps my immunity defense system. I already eat just about half a cup of cheese, 1 or 2 cups of yogurt, and at least 2 glasses of milk a day, not including the milk used for cereals. Pretty much Dairy and Bread are my main daily intakes.WillyP wrote:But I love cheese, and yogurt, and icecream, etc...
sorry for not posting lately, been sidetracked by work.
just stumbled about a related thing. Apparently, there is more and more evidence that glucose is the 'fuel' for willpower. Acts of self-control deplete glucose levels, and with higher glucose levels we are better able to control ourselves. If true, then artificial sweeteners are double-bad when trying to keep a healthy diet. They first make you want to eat more sugar afterwards, but also reduce your power to resist these urges due to lack of glucose input.
interesting. So the hypothesis that artificial sweeteners make you burn energy that the body believes it has (but doesn't) is still unresolved? I couldn't find anything pro or con either, just many unconclusive reports.roid wrote:i have heard people say that artificial sweeteners have rather... unpredictable effects on blood sugars.
Sometimes they do nothing, sometimes they lower blood sugars, other times they raise them (it should be noted that stress can raise or lower blood sugars, in my experience it raises them, probably typical cortisol/adrenyl stress reaction mobilizing the body's energy reserves)
just stumbled about a related thing. Apparently, there is more and more evidence that glucose is the 'fuel' for willpower. Acts of self-control deplete glucose levels, and with higher glucose levels we are better able to control ourselves. If true, then artificial sweeteners are double-bad when trying to keep a healthy diet. They first make you want to eat more sugar afterwards, but also reduce your power to resist these urges due to lack of glucose input.
you study this stuff don't you - Don't you do research on Mirror Neurons? I'd expect you to know more about this than me 
From a personality profiling POV, the theory is that everyone is \"wired\" a certain way (and can be categorised by a MBTI type or whatever blahblahblah). But what was interesting was when i read that when people try to \"be someone they arn't\", instead of being themselves - they use up a lot of mental energy (glucose/oxygen?) and get mentally \"tired\" quicker. Because the brain has to work so much harder to push things through inefficient (non-myelinated? or were there just more jumps?) neuronal pathways.
Whereas if you arn't pretending to be something you're not - you're brain can be lazier, and you conserve energy.
It's point was to say that brains were hardwired to think a certain way - a certain personality - from birth. And trying to stray from it is a strain and stress, so we should just all accept who we are (or somesuch).
(And i guess each personality has levels of \"functioning\", some healthy some not. I guess that's more where psychology comes in.)
I also recall another study, that i made an E&C topic about a while ago, about it actually being healthier for people somehow (or was it just easier?) if people just \"parrot\" what other people say instead of thinking for themselves.
From a personality profiling POV, the theory is that everyone is \"wired\" a certain way (and can be categorised by a MBTI type or whatever blahblahblah). But what was interesting was when i read that when people try to \"be someone they arn't\", instead of being themselves - they use up a lot of mental energy (glucose/oxygen?) and get mentally \"tired\" quicker. Because the brain has to work so much harder to push things through inefficient (non-myelinated? or were there just more jumps?) neuronal pathways.
Whereas if you arn't pretending to be something you're not - you're brain can be lazier, and you conserve energy.
It's point was to say that brains were hardwired to think a certain way - a certain personality - from birth. And trying to stray from it is a strain and stress, so we should just all accept who we are (or somesuch).
(And i guess each personality has levels of \"functioning\", some healthy some not. I guess that's more where psychology comes in.)
I also recall another study, that i made an E&C topic about a while ago, about it actually being healthier for people somehow (or was it just easier?) if people just \"parrot\" what other people say instead of thinking for themselves.
heehee, sorry to disappoint, but neuroscience is a vast field. I know a bit about the function of different brain areas, but how glucose and so on affect brain function is totally new to me as well.you study this stuff don't you - Don't you do research on Mirror Neurons? I'd expect you to know more about this than me
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This sounds vert interesting (and reasonable). Do you have a link for this? I'm not interested in different personality types, but the overall idea is great. Although there is of course the notion that through positive experience, drugs, and so on, the attractors can be shaped at least to some extent.roid wrote:From a personality profiling POV, the theory is that everyone is "wired" a certain way (and can be categorised by a MBTI type or whatever blahblahblah). But what was interesting was when i read that when people try to "be someone they arn't", instead of being themselves - they use up a lot of mental energy (glucose/oxygen?) and get mentally "tired" quicker. Because the brain has to work so much harder to push things through inefficient (non-myelinated? or were there just more jumps?) neuronal pathways.
i read that years ago when i was heavily into all this personality profiling stuff. It'd be hard to find again, and personality stuff is always more theory than hard science (it's hard to measure this stuff). It may have even been said in the context of left/right brain dichotomies - which in an earlier thread you said was not true at all.
I think it's likely that, like you, i found it a reasonable assumption so i just believed it.
But if i come across it again i'll make better effort to record the actual study (if it ever was a study) and send it your way.
It seemed very similar to the 2007 study you posted. So you could just infer it from that, that it takes willpower and self-control to not be yourself, thus it uses up blood glucose.
I think it's likely that, like you, i found it a reasonable assumption so i just believed it.
But if i come across it again i'll make better effort to record the actual study (if it ever was a study) and send it your way.
It seemed very similar to the 2007 study you posted. So you could just infer it from that, that it takes willpower and self-control to not be yourself, thus it uses up blood glucose.
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I can attest to what Roid's saying. I am an ISTP, and to move outside of those boundaries wears me out fast.
When I go out to shoot pool, I have to deal with a lot of people, I talk, yell, joke around and have a good time. When I come home, I'm mentally/spiritually drained. Having to be 'on' when I'm out drains my battery. I get lethargic, but I have plenty of physical energy. I need to stay home for some time and not deal with anyone, or only deal with other 'I' types. If I don't get this me-time, I get worse and worse and it's harder to function around people. The time necessary depends on how much interaction I've accumulated. Just a few hours usually, sometimes a whole day. I usually spend it cleaning house or writing code.
Some people are 'on' all the time. They charge their batteries by mingling with people, and drain them when they are alone. My sister is a prime example. She goes out, makes friends with...everybody...has a great time, and comes home more charged up than when she left. But she cannot be alone for a second. She's on the phone and out the door.
When I go out to shoot pool, I have to deal with a lot of people, I talk, yell, joke around and have a good time. When I come home, I'm mentally/spiritually drained. Having to be 'on' when I'm out drains my battery. I get lethargic, but I have plenty of physical energy. I need to stay home for some time and not deal with anyone, or only deal with other 'I' types. If I don't get this me-time, I get worse and worse and it's harder to function around people. The time necessary depends on how much interaction I've accumulated. Just a few hours usually, sometimes a whole day. I usually spend it cleaning house or writing code.
Some people are 'on' all the time. They charge their batteries by mingling with people, and drain them when they are alone. My sister is a prime example. She goes out, makes friends with...everybody...has a great time, and comes home more charged up than when she left. But she cannot be alone for a second. She's on the phone and out the door.
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wow, Testi, I am exactly like that, just haven't thought about it terms of roid's being yourself/somebody else idea before.Testiculese wrote:When I go out to shoot pool, I have to deal with a lot of people, I talk, yell, joke around and have a good time. When I come home, I'm mentally/spiritually drained. Having to be 'on' when I'm out drains my battery. I get lethargic, but I have plenty of physical energy. I need to stay home for some time and not deal with anyone, or only deal with other 'I' types. If I don't get this me-time, I get worse and worse and it's harder to function around people. The time necessary depends on how much interaction I've accumulated. Just a few hours usually, sometimes a whole day. I usually spend it cleaning house or writing code.
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great, thank you!roid wrote:But if i come across it again i'll make better effort to record the actual study (if it ever was a study) and send it your way.
I have type 2 diabetes…and I’m pretty darn sure it was caused by the over consumption of processed sugar for many years. Also a genetic pre disposition didn’t help either.
Its weird I was reading what you guys were talking about…and I always thought the brain was fueled by cholesterol…but I have heard so many contradictions to how the body works I have no idea what to believe anymore.
Bottom line…sugar & artificial sweeteners both = BAD!
Its weird I was reading what you guys were talking about…and I always thought the brain was fueled by cholesterol…but I have heard so many contradictions to how the body works I have no idea what to believe anymore.
Bottom line…sugar & artificial sweeteners both = BAD!